Genesis Questions

[B-B]

4 minutes ago, branchesofHim said:

I apologize for any misunderstanding. There is so much that none of us know. Shalom

2 Peter 3:[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
[14] Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
[17] Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
[18] But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

(Sigh…The constant quoting of unconnected Scripture still does not provide clarity on your meaning…)

…you are trying to connect the 66 Books of the Bible to the ‘666’ number of the Beast.
 

You have stated that this is ‘interesting’.

Why is this interesting for you?
 

if you believe that there is a conspiracy theory around this then why not just be frank, and say so?

@branchesofHim this is a Discussion/debating forum. I’m not the one making any alleged claims here. You potentially are.
If you make alleged claims then where is the evidence to support them?

Why would you feel the need to link the 66 Books of the Bible to the number of the Beast?

 

[JohnR7]

On 8/4/2022 at 9:00 AM, Dennis1209 said:

We do not know when the Luciferian fall and rebellion occurred, but it had to be before the Garden of Eden, as the adversary was already present in the garden.

It was a previous world. Back at the time of Pangaea and the dinosaurs. The sky was pink back then because there was a lot more humidity in the atmosphere. We find herds of dinosaurs in flood deposits. ESP in The Rocky Mountains of New Mexico up to Wyoming. Whenever there is an extinction, God repopulates the earth with 10% of the species from the previous population. In this case, turtles and crocodiles survived. Science has air bubbles in the core samples from glaciers, so they know exactly what the atmosphere was back at that time. This is why major denominations require a degree in Science even before they study theology. Without science, it is going to be impossible to understand Genesis in our Bible. 

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, B-B said:

I personally use the English language and I try to speak as plainly as I can so that my meaning isn’t obscure, and so that I can be easily understood by others.

I took four teacher training classes at the Bible College. Basically, we studied Jesus and how He would teach.  

[JohnR7]

On 8/16/2022 at 6:39 PM, kwikphilly said:

I wanted to find errors-

I looked for contradictions and I never found even one. Many authors over many years are in perfect agreement with each other. 

[B-B]

3 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

I took four teacher training classes at the Bible College. Basically, we studied Jesus and how He would teach.  

Interesting 

[JohnR7]

On 8/11/2022 at 7:13 PM, JimmyB said:

The days of creation are not literal, 24-hour days.

There was a literal day when God was finished. If you build a car there is a day when the car leaves the factory and is considered to be finished. When you build a house there is a day that house if finished. It could have taken God 12 billion years to create man, but there was a day when He said it is finished. 

Genesis 1:31
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

 

[Starise]

The fact that we are warned against apostasy or maybe better stated, told it would happen, indicates to me they are out there. How do they operate? One of the ways they operate is they attempt to change what the word says, both from behind pulpits and lecterns, as well as through the printed word. That printed word is sometimes called a bible. This is why I think it's important to make sure we are reading the most accurate texts, because there are books out there called the word of God that are far from it.

Some translations show some bias. I know that's a very generalized statement. I am thinking along the lines of messianic texts or texts that attempt make something look different than it really was. There was an argument as to if the book of Revelation should be included in the bible for awhile by some "church fathers" and there have been  arguments on authorship and intent of other parts of the bible for hundreds of years.

While the following is only applicable to the book of Revelation so far as I know, I think it shows the implications for anyone or any religious body who has tampered with the word of God, either adding to it or taking from it.

18I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19 And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

Of all books in the bible surely prophetic books like Revelation and Daniel require an extra measure of study and it would be easy to jump to conclusions. It is much different for a person to misunderstand or accidentally misquote, than it would be for a religious body or false teacher to intentionally add to or take away from, but we know it happens.

While I don't believe we have huge swaths of scripture that were supposed to be included that are no longer with us, I do believe at times translations have misrepresented the original intent. This is why I think it is important to study the context and background of any given text along with comparative accurate translations. There are parts of the KJV that could be misunderstood. The KJV was touted as infallible when I was growing up. It is mostly accurate and certainly has everything a person needs in it to find the truth of salvation along with most historical accounts for most everything. Yet, there are things in it that can be misunderstood without further study and the leading of the Holy Spirit to rightly divide it.

On the scientific end of things and so far as the subject of creation is concerned, men of science see things that contradict with what they know . Both young earth creationists and those who make allowances for prior creations or events pre dating mankind can either try to shoe horn what they think they believe and simply follow a party line, or use the brain the good Lord gave them to try to make sense of it.

I personally think it's an over reach to attempt to say discrepancies in the speed of light over time could shrink billions of years into 6000 years if measuring the speed of light over distance in the universe. Neither is it past God Almighty to create something big in 6000 years. There doesn't necessarily HAVE to be a connection between evolution and how old the earth is. In other words I can believe in an older earth and not believe on evolution as taught in many institutions. We tend to paint these inaccurate pictures of each other, " Oh he's one of THOSE" and we all know what THEY believe. Instead of arriving at conclusions we point fingers.

One thing we do know for sure is that there was plenty here before the earth in it's present iteration was created. We know God made heavenly beings before this. Who is to say what else He made? This narrative isn't all about us. The bible doesn't go into great detail, and science being what is is cold hard calculation based on the best data shows that no matter how you look at it, our universe looks old. Very old.

Edited August 26, 2022 by Starise

[kwikphilly]

2 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

On 8/16/2022 at 6:39 PM, kwikphilly said:

I wanted to find errors-

I looked for contradictions and I never found even one. Many authors over many years are in perfect agreement with each other. 

Blessings Brother

   Yes,personally many many years ago in my rebellious years in the "wilder ness"(seems like a lifetime or someone elses life-lol) I wanted very much to find fault,error,contradiction-those are the years that solidified & confirmed everything WRITTEN ,God Showed me a thing or 2!!!!

   Its funny,I'm very Blessed to have had an earthly Father that taught me well,he always gave me enough rope to hang myself yet he was always there to catch me when I fell so I would not be hurt-----Our Almighty Father Allows us to wander off the beaten path as well,we make mistakes,we make really big ones at times YET He is Always there-What better Council to show us Gods Truth than His Holy Spirit?

Ive never found a contradiction either,when I thought I did I come to find my perception was wrong

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

The fact that we are warned against apostasy or maybe better stated, told it would happen, indicates to me they are out there.

That is why I just read the Bible for myself and allow the Holy Spirit to be my teacher and guide. Also, I use Science to help me understand the Bible. 

[JohnR7]

On 8/26/2022 at 10:30 AM, Starise said:

The fact that we are warned against apostasy or maybe better stated, told it would happen, indicates to me they are out there.

This is a catch 22 because God does NOT give us the ability to be able to determine who they are. We are told if our heart is pure, then everyone one will appear to be pure. (Titus 1:15)