The Word of God (Scripture)

[farouk]

2 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

I would not equate obeying the commands of Jesus Christ to a place

of Law keeping that Paul was teaching to Jews that did not rightly

understand the role of the Law of Moses and eternal salvation.

I am well aware of Pauline theology.

Galatians 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness 

comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

I am not even sure why you are saying this in response to my post,

which says nothing of law keeping, but that the Gospel of Jesus Christ

is Grace AND Truth, with several scriptures detailing quite a bit of what

that truth entails.

Acts 5:32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is 

the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

Hebrews 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of

eternal salvation to all who obey Him.

Malachi 3:

17 “They shall be Mine,” says the Lord of hosts,
“On the day that I make them My jewels.
And I will spare them
As a man spares his own son who serves him.”
18 Then you shall again discern
Between the righteous and the wicked,
Between one who serves God
And one who does not serve Him.

I have merely tried to show that the Gospel of Truth

states that there is more than just grace alone. Not by 

works of Mosaic Law, or our attempts to be good. But 

what is required is obedience to the One you call both

LORD and Savior. 

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, but 

grace AND truth came through Jesus Christ.

The truth is that the lawless cannot be saved by grace.

What does well done good and faithful servant mean?

What does depart from me, you have been lawless mean?

James 2:

17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” 

Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you

my faith by my works. 

19 You believe that there is one God. You do well.

Even the demons believe—and tremble! 

20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith

without works is dead? 

Something has to give. All Paul was teaching is that 

works of the Law alone cannot save without faithfulness

to the Gospel of God's Son. Many Christians believe in tithing,

and that is in the Law. Does tithing save them? I say not.

Receiving the grace of God is the power of God to fulfill

every Law. Please do not receive the grace of God in vain.

Paul says in Ephesians 2.8-9: "By grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God; not of works, lest any man should boast".

[Mr. M]

2 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)

[1] Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly:

wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he

hath prepared for them a city.

[enoob57]

8 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly:

wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he

hath prepared for them a city.

The little ones run to what they know of city now... they have not grown in the Scriptures to rightly divide in this truth... The Spirit reveals this concept here
Colossians 3:1 (KJV)

[3:1] If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

[2] Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

[3] For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

[4] When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

To set our hearts on what cannot be known now but exist in promise by God is life and peace in this place of end... and it sure makes us as aliens...

[kwikphilly]

17 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

I would not equate obeying the commands of Jesus Christ to a place

of Law keeping that Paul was teaching to Jews that did not rightly

understand the role of the Law of Moses and eternal salvation.

I am well aware of Pauline theology.

Galatians 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness 

comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

I am not even sure why you are saying this in response to my post,

which says nothing of law keeping, but that the Gospel of Jesus Christ

is Grace AND Truth, with several scriptures detailing quite a bit of what

that truth entails.

Acts 5:32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is 

the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

Hebrews 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of

eternal salvation to all who obey Him.

Malachi 3:

17 “They shall be Mine,” says the Lord of hosts,
“On the day that I make them My jewels.
And I will spare them
As a man spares his own son who serves him.”
18 Then you shall again discern
Between the righteous and the wicked,
Between one who serves God
And one who does not serve Him.

I have merely tried to show that the Gospel of Truth

states that there is more than just grace alone. Not by 

works of Mosaic Law, or our attempts to be good. But 

what is required is obedience to the One you call both

LORD and Savior. 

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, but 

grace AND truth came through Jesus Christ.

The truth is that the lawless cannot be saved by grace.

What does well done good and faithful servant mean?

What does depart from me, you have been lawless mean?

James 2:

17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” 

Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you

my faith by my works. 

19 You believe that there is one God. You do well.

Even the demons believe—and tremble! 

20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith

without works is dead? 

Something has to give. All Paul was teaching is that 

works of the Law alone cannot save without faithfulness

to the Gospel of God's Son. Many Christians believe in tithing,

and that is in the Law. Does tithing save them? I say not.

Receiving the grace of God is the power of God to fulfill

every Law. Please do not receive the grace of God in vain.

The Obedience of Christ,our Beloved, Precious Lord and Savior told us PLAINLY what exactly are the " works" that bear witness to His Truth,His Grace.     The " works" of Faith are simple and have zero to do with the Law of Moses ,although in keeping that Commandment that Jesus spoke about will keep ALL the Commands that are Pleasing & Acceptable in God's Sight!

Jesus Said: IF you love me.....

(John 14:15)

Yes,LOVE is the Greatest Command

And the hardest thing in the world to do for anyone without Christ Jesus! Love your enemy,love the murderer,the nasty next door neighbor,the guy who stole your car or hurt your kid  .. .. yes,LOVE. ..  you may despise what they've done,you may dislike everything they do or say or even who they are but yet,Love them..... Hmmm

Only that Love,the Love of Jesus will enable you to do God's Will- that will be the thing that moves you to go about Father's Business,preaching the Gospel to every creature,feeding the poor,helping the destitute & the prisoners,the God Haters,the foul,the wicked,every wretched sinner .......

 

[farouk]

@kwikphilly I do like the words of the hymn:

 

"...love unknown....love to the loveless shown..."

[enoob57]

Praise God for the direction this thread has taken ... 

[kwikphilly]

6 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Praise God for the direction this thread has taken ... 

   Now that's a STUDY of God's Word.    

Thanks Brother

Care to give me your thoughts about my earlier comment regarding Adams seemingly unrepentant heart and no remorse,as I see it?

I'm on my phone or I'd be able to find it ,& copy/ paste- maybe to you saw it?

 

Oops,nevermind- I see you did reply, lol.     It's hard to keep track on the phone

[kwikphilly]

15 hours ago, enoob57 said:

Yes exactly... 
It is the structure of God's Word. He gave His Law to the Elect Israel and naked before the world showing themselves unable to keep it. Then God sent His Son Who did... showing the world if we wanted to be perfect it had to be His perfection not our own. We literally have to look outside of our own selves to find it in Jesus... I believe repentance is that very act.

Excellent,thank you

It's always been a challenge for me to see " Jesus" in many of the OT stories though I Know,because He Said So- It's ALL about Him

Sometimes I ask Him to take me through the Scriptures and show me as He Did on the road with the 2 men when He Walked with them after He Rose Again- He Showed them the Scriptures Wrote about Him.    Oh,I can only imagine their Joy!!!

With love,in Christ -Kwik

[Mr. M]

1 minute ago, farouk said:

Paul says in Ephesians 2.8-9: "By grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God; not of works, lest any man should boast".

Can we include verse 10, since we are going there>

10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works,

which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

This is where Paul and James are in perfect agreement.

Not our works (feeble attempts at being good or righteous) but 

His works that serve His Purpose, that we are commanded to walk in.

2 Timothy 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, 

not according to our works, but according to His own purpose

and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

2 Thessalonians 2:

13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you,

brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning 

chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit

and belief in the truth, 

14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of

the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 

15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions

which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

This is what I am referring, Eph 2 is important in the context

of Paul's teaching, but not the whole Gospel in a nutshell.

It's a covenant, and the terms are clear and irrevocable.

The Elect are called to serve, and by so doing earn a great

reward in Glory that cannot be gained simply by keeping

a Sabbath day, or a holy diet restriction. The Lord has

given commands to His followers that are beyond Mosaic

Law, we are to do as He has done. We cannot be greater than

our Master, we can only be like Him, and He came to serve,

as we must do also. If not, this is clearly defined as lawlessness,

not breakers of Mosaic Law, but the Law of Christ. If some object

claiming this is works based salvation, they should first know how

important works are to One who has given us His commands.

Revelation 2 and 3 messages to the churches, and the rewards

for those who overcome, not simply believe. We cannot 

preach a message that encourages people to do nothing

as if nothing is required, as that leads them to forfeit a great

reward. They will be saved, but only by passing through fire.

1 Corinthians 3:

13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it,

because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each

one’s work, of what sort it is. 

14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures,

he will receive a reward. 

15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss;

but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

2 John 8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those

things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.

Grace and Purpose equals salvation with works befitting of

our repentance that brings great reward. That is the full Gospel.

Acts 26:

19 “Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient

to the heavenly vision, 

20 but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem,

and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles,

that they should repent, turn to God,

and do works befitting repentance.

Paul taught works, not our own, but the righteous 

requirements of the Law of Christ. Take it or leave it,

I am not contradicting Ephesians 2:7-9, unless the man

who wrote it later contradicted himself.

[farouk]

1 minute ago, kwikphilly said:

Excellent,thank you

It's always been a challenge for me to see " Jesus" in many of the OT stories though I Know,because He Said So- It's ALL about Him

Sometimes I ask Him to take me through the Scriptures and show me as He Did on the road with the 2 men when He Walked with them after He Rose Again- He Showed them the Scriptures Wrote about Him.    Oh,I can only imagine their Joy!!!

With love,in Christ -Kwik

The joy and privilege of reading the Word is Christ in all the Scriptures.........