God is not a laundry service that wash your sins in two hours and then you become clean and fragrant.

[Dan Knight]

5 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

It is too early to make this kind of statement. 

And I want to agree with something you said if it is in the scriptures. 

Adam was not in the tree of death Nor in the tree of Life before he ate from the forbitten fruit.  

After he ate from the fruit of the tree of death Adam can never go back to the state of being he had before he ate from the tree of death...

His only option before him was to eat from the tree of Life, which he was not allowed to do. 

From that time he lived while he was in the tree of death and he had children born to the tree of death...the children they inherited from their father what he had. It was by Inheritance, they were born into that Inheritance...

Following Adam we can find out that he and his children were not separated from God while they lived even thought they had death in them...even thought they had death in them.

Adam because he disobeyed God and he ate from the fruit of death and his children because they got from Adam what he had, they were the fruit of Adam, they were the fruit from Adam's tree.. from the fallen seed of Adam...and that's what will give to their children if there is not change in their seed..  

 

 

So only Eve is guilty? Adam did not know that the one tree was forbidden? 

And penalty is death,  not separation. If it was, ' ...and you shall surely be separated from Me," then why did Jesus have to die? When He cried out, ..'why have you forsaken Me?', He could have come off the cross because the penalty of sin, separation from God,  has been paid in full. Why go on?

Let me ask you this. Do you believe that human beings are immortal? As in either go to heaven and live forever or to hell and live forever,  but you shall not surely die, kind of immorality?

[Dan Knight]

7 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

It is too early to make this kind of statement. 

And I want to agree with something you said if it is in the scriptures. 

Adam was not in the tree of death Nor in the tree of Life before he ate from the forbitten fruit.  

After he ate from the fruit of the tree of death Adam can never go back to the state of being he had before he ate from the tree of death...

His only option before him was to eat from the tree of Life, which he was not allowed to do. 

From that time he lived while he was in the tree of death and he had children born to the tree of death...the children they inherited from their father what he had. It was by Inheritance, they were born into that Inheritance...

Following Adam we can find out that he and his children were not separated from God while they lived even thought they had death in them...even thought they had death in them.

Adam because he disobeyed God and he ate from the fruit of death and his children because they got from Adam what he had, they were the fruit of Adam, they were the fruit from Adam's tree.. from the fallen seed of Adam...and that's what will give to their children if there is not change in their seed..  

 

 

OK, I  see your point. Sorry for jumping the gun. Tough day at work. 

[JimmyB]

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

It is too early to make this kind of statement. 

And I want to agree with something you said if it is in the scriptures. 

Adam was not in the tree of death Nor in the tree of Life before he ate from the forbitten fruit.  

After he ate from the fruit of the tree of death Adam can never go back to the state of being he had before he ate from the tree of death...

His only option before him was to eat from the tree of Life, which he was not allowed to do. 

From that time he lived while he was in the tree of death and he had children born to the tree of death...the children they inherited from their father what he had. It was by Inheritance, they were born into that Inheritance...

Following Adam we can find out that he and his children were not separated from God while they lived even thought they had death in them...even thought they had death in them.

Adam because he disobeyed God and he ate from the fruit of death and his children because they got from Adam what he had, they were the fruit of Adam, they were the fruit from Adam's tree.. from the fallen seed of Adam...and that's what will give to their children if there is not change in their seed..  

 

 

There is no "tree of death" in my Bible.  It's an invented, unScriptural term.

[Dan Knight]

1 hour ago, JimmyB said:

There is no "tree of death" in my Bible.  It's an invented, unScriptural term.

That brings up an interesting point.  Was it some type of chemical with in the fruit that brought on the death? Or the act of disobedience.  How does the knowledge of good and evil fit in? Chemical or act? 

My thought is that it lies with in the act of disobedience. I.e. up defines down. 

Years ago , when my oldest son was very young, he called out to me in a panic.  I  rushed into the kitchen to see him standing on the chair, looking down at an open bible.  I assumed he'd been reading it. He was shaking, and in fearfull distress. He pointed to a scripture where God was speaking about the punishment for liars. He looked at me and said, "Dad, I've told lies." 

That was more than 30 years ago, and it just now dawned on me that at that moment of reading, he knew, perhaps I should say,  that God showed him good and evil. The panic set in when he realized the consequence.

Gen 3:8,9  "...8Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9But the LORD God called out to the man, “Where are you?” 10“I heard your voice...and I was afraid.."

[Dan Knight]

1 hour ago, JimmyB said:

There is no "tree of death" in my Bible.  It's an invented, unScriptural term.

To say that it is the tree of death, I get what your closest friend meant. I'm level with that. 

To say there is no tree of death in scripture,  I  get what you mean. I'm level with that.

And I'm quite sure YCFriend knows that as well. Let's be level with that.

Is that all that this forum is about? Seek what we persieve to be faulty with each other and capitalize on it?  What about the numerous other points he made? See anything to admonish? 

 

Edited September 15, 2022 by Dan Knight

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, JimmyB said:

There is no "tree of death" in my Bible.  It's an invented, unScriptural term.

Every comment has a root concern...and this one is not without one...

You shall know the tree by it's fruit...

I do not want to support this with an argument, not just yet...and I have a good reason for that, I should not be quick to try and convince anyone with irrefutable reasoning...people have to experience to figure out things by trial and error..

[Your closest friendnt]

14 hours ago, JimmyB said:

There is no "tree of death" in my Bible.  It's an invented, unScriptural term.

Genesis 3:3 

³ But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

God continue to have fellowship with Adam and Eve and their children after their exit from the Garden. 

After the death of Abel from his brother Cain God asked Cain a hypothetical question, He knew what happened to the righteous Abel but he still asked the question to inform us that Abel was not gathered to him after his death...Genesis 4:9

⁹ And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

Genesisc 4:10. And God said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. 

And before that God asked Cain " where is your brother?"

Abel the first man to die, accepted by God as righteous he could not be found on Earth and was not gathered to God after his death by his brother...

if we find where Abel

(the first man to die, and a righteous man) 

then we can know the Inheritance of man after he dies at that time and before the death of Jesus Christ with the exception of Abraham and Issac and Jacob and all the household of Jacob. the people of the Lord God Almighty. 

We are looking to establish what happened to man after his death..

Genesis 4:9,10 God is looking for Abel after his death...because Abel was not with him, or was not gathered to him after his death.  

***paul wrote: "Death was upon everyone even upon those who did not commit Adam's disobedience", even the first righteous man to died Abel. 

Edited September 15, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[Dan Knight]

24 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Genesis 3:3 

³ But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

God continue to have fellowship with Adam and Eve and their children after their exit from the Garden. 

After the death of Abel from his brother Cain God asked Cain a hypothetical question, He knew what happened to the righteous Abel but he still asked the question to inform us that Abel was not gathered to him after his death...Genesis 4:9

⁹ And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

Genesisc 4:10. And God said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. 

And before that God asked Cain " where is your brother?"

Abel the first man to die, accepted by God as righteous he could not be found on Earth and was not gathered to God after his death by his brother...

if we find where Abel

(the first man to die, and a righteous man) 

then we can know the Inheritance of man after he dies at that time and before the death of Jesus Christ with the exception of Abraham and Issac and Jacob and all the household of Jacob. the people of the Lord God Almighty. 

We are looking to establish what happened to man after his death..

Genesis 4:9,10 God is looking for Abel after his death...because Abel was not with him, or was not gathered to him after his death.  

***paul wrote: "Death was upon everyone even upon those who did not commit Adam's disobedience", even the first righteous man to died Abel. 

 

Hebrews 9:27

King James Version

 

²⁷ And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Dan Knight said:

 

Hebrews 9:27

King James Version

 

²⁷ And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

This scripture above is about Jesus through whom God judges the world...

Paul is telling the same thing Jesus said to Peter and the other disciples when they ask him to take them with him to the Heavenly Father...

Jesus told them "not now", but you must wait, and by knowing that they all experience a physical death,  when Jesus told them "not now but you must wait" Jesus meant after their death.

So no one to expect that he can appear before the judgment sit of Jesus Christ in this body...or that he will be taken to Heaven in this body and before he dies.

Edited September 15, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[JimmyB]

Regarding the OP...

God is not a laundry service that washes your sins in two hours and then you become clean.  It doesn't take Him that long.  In fact, it's instantaneous.

You believe and you are instantly saved and begin to lead a new life.  Your sin is no longer counted against you.