Understanding the Prophetic Word

[Keras]

The Wisdom of the Wise will Vanish. Isaiah 29:14, 1 Corinthians 1:19-21
That this prophecy is true today, is proved by the almost total lack of understanding of God’s plans for our future by Christians and by the proliferation of theories, ideas and pure fiction about end times events. Also, as is prophesied in Isaiah 29:9, Confuse yourself and become confused .....[REBible] says how those who believe false teachings will become locked into them and be unable to discern or comprehend the truth of what will happen. 2 Thess. 2:11
The Lord says: I frustrate false prophets and make fools of diviners. I reverse what wise men say and make nonsense of their wisdom. Isaiah 44:25, Romans 1:22
Jesus says: I thank You Father for hiding these truths from the learned and wise and revealing them to the simple. Matthew 11:25-26, 1 John 4:4-5
Daniel is told: Keep these words secret and seal them up until the time of the end…only a few wise leaders will understand. Jeremiah 23:20
From the above Bible quotes, we see that there are two types of ‘wise’ people. Those who promote theories, ideas and doctrines that are not fully supported by scripture and those few who search all the prophesies and discern the truth of the end time events.
Here are some of the theories, ideas and fanciful notions that abound today:
1/ The Return of Jesus is the next event. This is totally refuted by 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

2/ The wrath of God all happens at the Return. To move the Sixth Seal – stated to be the wrath of God and the Lamb, means shuffling the given sequence of Revelation. The Wrath of God, the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, His coming IN the clouds, Psalm 18:7-15, Hab. 3:4 is described quite differently and happens years before the Return ON the clouds. Matthew 24:30, Rev 19:11

3/ The ‘rapture’. A removal of Christians to heaven before the Day of Wrath. Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that at any time, alive or dead, will any humans go to live in heaven. John 3:13 We are earth creatures and as believers in God and Jesus, we have work to do on earth, our destiny is to be ‘a light to the nations’. Isaiah 42:6

4/ The Jews are Gods chosen people. To say this not only abrogates the redemptive work of Jesus for all mankind, but also ignores God’s promises to the Patriarchs and His plan for all the Israelites, whom He watches and cares for. Jer. 16:17, Amos 9:9

5/ There will be a World War 3. Or an economic meltdown, or some other man caused problem will trigger the end time events. It is prophesied over 70 times that the Lord will send a judgement/punishment of fire to destroy His enemies. Matthew 3:12

6/ Preterism. The belief that all the prophesies are fulfilled or abrogated by Christ. They deny the historical facts, refute Nahum 1:2 and all the yet to be fulfilled prophesies. Psalms 110:5-6, Matthew 3:12, Revelation 1:1

7/ Revival must come first. Actually this is correct, but that revival will be instigated by the 144,000, Rev 14:1-7. They will go out from New Israel in pairs, as the precedent in Luke 10:1-10

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8/ The lack of teaching on the Prophetic Word. Preachers shy away from any mention of prophecy and judgement, so the people have no real knowledge of end time events.

9/ The need to avoid the ‘mark of the beast’. Rev 13:16-17 But Rev. 7 tells us God’s servants are marked with ‘the seal of God’. God’s people, ‘from every tribe, nation and language’ are gathered in the holy Land, the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5

10/ Apathy. The sheer carelessness and laziness of not attempting or trying to understand what a large proportion of the Bible is informing us. Deut. 32:28-29, 2 Peter 1:19

For now, as we are in the Church age, Ezekiel 14:1-10 applies. This passage says if the Israelites, that is: the Lord’s people, ‘set their hearts on sinful things, then the Lord will give to them the beliefs they desire’.

So; anyone who wishes to avoid God’s wrath by ‘going to heaven, or want to think nothing much is yet to happen, then the Lord will allow them to believe it and that will make an understanding of the truth difficult for them. Jeremiah 6:10
 

Edited September 6, 2022 by Keras

[Revelation Man]

6 minutes ago, Keras said:

3/ The ‘rapture’. A removal of Christians to heaven before the Day of Wrath. Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that at any time, alive or dead, will any humans go to live in heaven. John 3:13 We are earth creatures and as believers in God and Jesus, we have work to do on earth, our destiny is to be ‘a light to the nations’. Isaiah 42:6

Its stated, you just are not a good enough prophecy guy to understand it. Its nit even a close call, once you are in that Rapture, and you SEE, you will say, how did  miss the obvious. ANSWER, Satan still works in this world and tries his best to confuse people. I have destroyed any and all options save the Pre Trib. We are NOT NEEDED once the Gospel is preached unto all the world, but whenever these things are pointed out you just ignore the facts. So be it. But God doesn't need men to bring His prophesies to pass, thank the Lord for that.

[Keras]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Its stated, you just are not a good enough prophecy guy to understand it. Its nit even a close call, once you are in that Rapture, and you SEE, you will say, how did  miss the obvious.

A rapture removal of the Church to heaven, is a false teaching. It is never said to happen in the Bible, in fact what is said; is that such a thing is impossible. 

We are earth beings and it is not until the Great White Throne Judgment, AFTER the Millennium, that those faithful people will receive Spiritual bodies. Revelation 21 to 22

And God Himself will dwell on earth too. Rev 21:3

God's Prophesies WILL come to pass, exactly as Written, not as some would like to happen.  We must endure to the end, when Jesus Returns. 

Edited September 6, 2022 by Keras

[Keras]

       Have you understood all this?

After explaining to His disciples the parables of the Kingdom of Heaven, Jesus asked them; Have you understood all this?   and they answered – Yes.   Matthew 13:51

It was a simple sounding question, but actually He was asking the most profound question of the ages.. Jesus was asking if they knew that, in Gods eyes there are two and only two – classes of people in the world: Those that accept God and His Laws:wheat, buried treasure, pearls and good fish - and the children of Satan: tares, weeds and worthless fish.

Matthew 13:37-42... He replied: The sower of the good seed is the Son of Man.

The field is the world, the good seed stands for the children of the Kingdom and the weeds, the children of the evil one.

The enemy who sowed the weeds is the devil The harvest is the end of time and the reapers are angels.

As the weeds are gathered up and burnt at the end of the age, the Son of Man will rid His Kingdom of every cause of sin and all whose deeds are evil. These will be thrown into the blazing furnace, where there will be much wailing and sorrow.

Matthew 13:43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father If you have ears, then hear.

 

Just a speculation – but Jesus gave four parables about who will and who will not inherit the Kingdom;

1/ The wheat and the weeds – Messianic Jews and apostate Jews, the House of Judah.

2/ The buried treasure – The born again Christians who are also the House of Israel.

3/ A pearl of great value – A person who dedicates their life to the Lord.

4/ The good and the worthless fish – Gentile peoples, believers and unbelievers.

“There are two kinds of people – those who say to God: Thy will be done, and those to whom God says “all right, then, have it your way”           C.S. Lewis

[Shilohsfoal]

On 9/6/2022 at 1:46 AM, Keras said:

The Wisdom of the Wise will Vanish. Isaiah 29:14, 1 Corinthians 1:19-21
That this prophecy is true today, is proved by the almost total lack of understanding of God’s plans for our future by Christians and by the proliferation of theories, ideas and pure fiction about end times events. Also, as is prophesied in Isaiah 29:9, Confuse yourself and become confused .....[REBible] says how those who believe false teachings will become locked into them and be unable to discern or comprehend the truth of what will happen. 2 Thess. 2:11
The Lord says: I frustrate false prophets and make fools of diviners. I reverse what wise men say and make nonsense of their wisdom. Isaiah 44:25, Romans 1:22
Jesus says: I thank You Father for hiding these truths from the learned and wise and revealing them to the simple. Matthew 11:25-26, 1 John 4:4-5
Daniel is told: Keep these words secret and seal them up until the time of the end…only a few wise leaders will understand. Jeremiah 23:20
From the above Bible quotes, we see that there are two types of ‘wise’ people. Those who promote theories, ideas and doctrines that are not fully supported by scripture and those few who search all the prophesies and discern the truth of the end time events.
Here are some of the theories, ideas and fanciful notions that abound today:
1/ The Return of Jesus is the next event. This is totally refuted by 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

2/ The wrath of God all happens at the Return. To move the Sixth Seal – stated to be the wrath of God and the Lamb, means shuffling the given sequence of Revelation. The Wrath of God, the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, His coming IN the clouds, Psalm 18:7-15, Hab. 3:4 is described quite differently and happens years before the Return ON the clouds. Matthew 24:30, Rev 19:11

3/ The ‘rapture’. A removal of Christians to heaven before the Day of Wrath. Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that at any time, alive or dead, will any humans go to live in heaven. John 3:13 We are earth creatures and as believers in God and Jesus, we have work to do on earth, our destiny is to be ‘a light to the nations’. Isaiah 42:6

4/ The Jews are Gods chosen people. To say this not only abrogates the redemptive work of Jesus for all mankind, but also ignores God’s promises to the Patriarchs and His plan for all the Israelites, whom He watches and cares for. Jer. 16:17, Amos 9:9

5/ There will be a World War 3. Or an economic meltdown, or some other man caused problem will trigger the end time events. It is prophesied over 70 times that the Lord will send a judgement/punishment of fire to destroy His enemies. Matthew 3:12

6/ Preterism. The belief that all the prophesies are fulfilled or abrogated by Christ. They deny the historical facts, refute Nahum 1:2 and all the yet to be fulfilled prophesies. Psalms 110:5-6, Matthew 3:12, Revelation 1:1

7/ Revival must come first. Actually this is correct, but that revival will be instigated by the 144,000, Rev 14:1-7. They will go out from New Israel in pairs, as the precedent in Luke 10:1-10

.
8/ The lack of teaching on the Prophetic Word. Preachers shy away from any mention of prophecy and judgement, so the people have no real knowledge of end time events.

9/ The need to avoid the ‘mark of the beast’. Rev 13:16-17 But Rev. 7 tells us God’s servants are marked with ‘the seal of God’. God’s people, ‘from every tribe, nation and language’ are gathered in the holy Land, the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5

10/ Apathy. The sheer carelessness and laziness of not attempting or trying to understand what a large proportion of the Bible is informing us. Deut. 32:28-29, 2 Peter 1:19

For now, as we are in the Church age, Ezekiel 14:1-10 applies. This passage says if the Israelites, that is: the Lord’s people, ‘set their hearts on sinful things, then the Lord will give to them the beliefs they desire’.

So; anyone who wishes to avoid God’s wrath by ‘going to heaven, or want to think nothing much is yet to happen, then the Lord will allow them to believe it and that will make an understanding of the truth difficult for them. Jeremiah 6:10
 

So you believe this man has nothing to do with great tribulation which takes place at this time? 

https://biblehub.com/niv/daniel/11-44.htm

[Keras]

14 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

So you believe this man has nothing to do with great tribulation which takes place at this time? 

https://biblehub.com/niv/daniel/11-44.htm

Sure; Daniel 11:44-45, refers to the 'beast' of Revelation 13.  The Anti-Christ; literally Satan the Devil. 

Who will be the leader of the One World Govt.   There will be some rebellions and the disasters of the 7 Trumpets an 7 Bowls will take place then. 

[Shilohsfoal]

On 9/6/2022 at 1:46 AM, Keras said:

 

 

5/ There will be a World War 3. Or an economic meltdown, or some other man caused problem will trigger the end time events. It is prophesied over 70 times that the Lord will send a judgement/punishment of fire to destroy His enemies. Matthew 3:12

 

 

So you agree that the King of the north, who sends a great fleet of ships to Invade the promised land and destroy and innihilate many in the promised land at the time of the end does trigger or does not trigger end times events when all the nations in the promised land who reject christ are destroyed? 

You believe the king of the north and his great military doesn't kill anyone there when he sets out to destroy and innihilate them? 

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Keras said:

Sure; Daniel 11:44-45, refers to the 'beast' of Revelation 13.  The Anti-Christ; literally Satan the Devil. 

Who will be the leader of the One World Govt.   There will be some rebellions and the disasters of the 7 Trumpets an 7 Bowls will take place then. 

So you believe the king of the north is literally Satan the Devil. So who do you say is the devil's enemy who attacks the devil in verse 40 at the time of the end? 

Who do you claim is the king of the south, Satan's adversary in the south? 

 

https://biblehub.com/niv/daniel/11-40.htm

Edited September 10, 2022 by Shilohsfoal

[Keras]

15 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

So you agree that the King of the north, who sends a great fleet of ships to Invade the promised land and destroy and innihilate many in the promised land at the time of the end does trigger or does not trigger end times events when all the nations in the promised land who reject christ are destroyed? 

You believe the king of the north and his great military doesn't kill anyone there when he sets out to destroy and innihilate them? 

I see the Prophecies of Daniel 11:25-43, as all occurring during the final 3 1/2 years of this age and when Jesus Returns, He will put an end to those 'kings'.  v43. 

15 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Who do you claim is the king of the south, Satan's adversary in the south? 

He may be the leader of the Christian peoples, at that time; living in all of the holy Land

[Shilohsfoal]

30 minutes ago, Keras said:

I see the Prophecies of Daniel 11:25-43, as all occurring during the final 3 1/2 years of this age and when Jesus Returns, He will put an end to those 'kings'.  v43. 

He may be the leader of the Christian peoples, at that time; living in all of the holy Land

If you take a closer look at the world, the northern nations are mostly Christian nations. The area they are attacking is the middle east which is predominately Muslim. 

Not sure how you would believe the king of the south could be a Christian in such a Muslim area. Are there any Christian kings at all in the middle east?