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[JohnD]

Was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob also the god of Jesus?

 

Actually, technically the God and Father of Jesus is not the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. Jesus is (preincarnate). God the Word (John 1:1) became flesh (John 1:14). God the Father of Jesus created that body (Hebrews 10:5) making him a Father and Jesus a Son (Hebrews 1:5) ← until that point, neither was true about either one of them

Prior to the incarnation All three individuals of the Godhead existed equally from all eternity (John 1:1–2 / 1 John 1:1–2 / Genesis 1:1–2).

The body of Jesus is in fact the only thing the Father created (John 1:14 / John 1:18 / John 3:16 / John 3:18 / 1 John 4:9).

In fact, even though we’ve already established that all three coexisted with one another in the beginning, only Jesus (preincarnate) created all things created in the beginning:

John 1:3 (KJV)

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Colossians 1:16 (KJV)

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Isaiah 44:24 (KJV)

24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; ← this verse also clearly identifies Jesus as the LORD YHVH

The Father is our Father only through adoption:

Romans 8:15 (KJV)

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

So Jesus is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

The Father is the God of the human half of Jesus (who is God the Word incarnate).

[Alive]

^{John 8:58} Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

[AdHoc]

1 hour ago, JohnD said:

Was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob also the god of Jesus?

 

Actually, technically the God and Father of Jesus is not the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. Jesus is (preincarnate). God the Word (John 1:1) became flesh (John 1:14). God the Father of Jesus created that body (Hebrews 10:5) making him a Father and Jesus a Son (Hebrews 1:5) ← until that point, neither was true about either one of them

Prior to the incarnation All three individuals of the Godhead existed equally from all eternity (John 1:1–2 / 1 John 1:1–2 / Genesis 1:1–2).

The body of Jesus is in fact the only thing the Father created (John 1:14 / John 1:18 / John 3:16 / John 3:18 / 1 John 4:9).

In fact, even though we’ve already established that all three coexisted with one another in the beginning, only Jesus (preincarnate) created all things created in the beginning:

John 1:3 (KJV)

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Colossians 1:16 (KJV)

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Isaiah 44:24 (KJV)

24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; ← this verse also clearly identifies Jesus as the LORD YHVH

The Father is our Father only through adoption:

Romans 8:15 (KJV)

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

So Jesus is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

The Father is the God of the human half of Jesus (who is God the Word incarnate).

It is a lovely exercise of the human intellect to try to fathom the Godhead. But sooner than later one just reaches the end of one's intellect. Here are some of your statements that might need to be reconsidered.

I would agree that the Father made a body for Jesus - but it says that Jesus created ALL things ...

"The Word BECAME flesh ... " the word "became" implies that it was not like that at first. Lot's wife "became" a pillar of salt

The Father has adopted us, but we are "born". I think that "born" is to do with imparting His nature. "Adoption" settles the inheritance legally.

You will struggle to find a "half" of Jesus in scripture. By the Law of "kinds" in Genesis 1:11-12 our Lord Jesus is 100% Man-KIND by birth to Mary. Equally, and contemporaneously, Jesus is 100% God by His origin in the Holy Spirit (Matt.1:18, Lk.1:35).

But my intellect is no better than yours. These apply equally to me.

[Alive]

1 minute ago, AdHoc said:

It is a lovely exercise of the human intellect to try to fathom the Godhead. But sooner than later one just reaches the end of one's intellect. Here are some of your statements that might need to be reconsidered.

I would agree that the Father made a body for Jesus - but it says that Jesus created ALL things ...

"The Word BECAME flesh ... " the word "became" implies that it was not like that at first. Lot's wife "became" a pillar of salt

The Father has adopted us, but we are "born". I think that "born" is to do with imparting His nature. "Adoption" settles the inheritance legally.

You will struggle to find a "half" of Jesus in scripture. By the Law of "kinds" in Genesis 1:11-12 our Lord Jesus is 100% Man-KIND by birth to Mary. Equally, and contemporaneously, Jesus is 100% God by His origin in the Holy Spirit (Matt.1:18, Lk.1:35).

But my intellect is no better than yours. These apply equally to me.

I agree with energy. There is no way that we can fully comprehend the Godhead. It is a subject that I personally avoid other than what is clearly stated in scripture. What I know and rely upon is the knowledge that somehow the Creator of the Universe was born into human flesh and yet was still fully God--the Word. God told Abraham that He would provide 'Himself' a sacrifice.

The profundity of that statement is a fearful thing. The Creator became flesh and dwelled among us and offered Himself as the atoning  required for it to be possible for a man to fellowship with His Maker. God literally owned it. He Himself took on the responsibility to make things right. To fulfill His 'eternal Purpose'.

I am a smart person and cannot begin to consume that--and yet, by the indwelling Spirit, can taste it.

[AdHoc]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

I agree with energy. There is no way that we can fully comprehend the Godhead. It is a subject that I personally avoid other than what is clearly stated in scripture. What I know and rely upon is the knowledge that somehow the Creator of the Universe was born into human flesh and yet was still fully God--the Word. God told Abraham that He would provide 'Himself' a sacrifice.

The profundity of that statement is a fearful thing. The Creator became flesh and dwelled among us and offered Himself as the atoning  required for it to be possible for a man to fellowship with His Maker. God literally owned it. He Himself took on the responsibility to make things right. To fulfill His 'eternal Purpose'.

I am a smart person and cannot begin to consume that--and yet, by the indwelling Spirit, can taste it.

Brilliant!

[JohnD]

3 hours ago, AdHoc said:

I would agree that the Father made a body for Jesus - but it says that Jesus created ALL things ...

In the beginning. Yes indeed.

[JohnD]

3 hours ago, AdHoc said:

"The Word BECAME flesh ... " the word "became" implies that it was not like that at first. Lot's wife "became" a pillar of salt

Indeed. The man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5) existed only as God the Word (John 1:1) prior to the incarnation. I believe I footnoted this referring to Hebrews 1:5 not being the case for Father or Son until the incarnation.

The Word was not a Son until the incarnation.

The "Father" did not become a Father until the incarnation.

The Word preexisted as almighty God prior to the incarnation as did the one who would become his Father.

The Word subsisted as God even in the incarnation:

Philippians 2:6–8 (KJV)
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

being in the form of God in the Greek morphe theos huparchon (never ceasing to be God)

Job echoed the fact that the mediator between God and man (1 Timothy 2:15) had not been born yet (Job 9:32-33). But he obviously has as Christ Jesus the Lord.

[JohnD]

4 hours ago, AdHoc said:

The Father has adopted us, but we are "born". I think that "born" is to do with imparting His nature. "Adoption" settles the inheritance legally.

Nope. The human race was created by God the Word.

God the Father created only Jesus' body humanity.

Only by adoption are we the children of the Father through faith in his one and only Son Jesus.

[JohnD]

4 hours ago, AdHoc said:

You will struggle to find a "half" of Jesus in scripture.

[snip]

God and man are two equal parts of who Jesus is. He is half God half human and at the same time his divine nature is 100% God (Colossians 2:9) and 100% human (1 Timothy 2:5 / Hebrews 4:15).

Semantics / mathematical formulas...

There are three who are the one God (Trinity). Each is 1/3 of the Trinity while being 100% God in nature.

One family of three consists of each being 1/3 the family while at the same time 100% family.

I don't spend too much time taking knots out of linguistic / mathematical puzzles... sorry.

[JohnD]

On 9/20/2022 at 2:09 AM, johann pretorius said:

As I peruse, like you, the scriptures, re Hebrews 10.5...

Was the soma of Christ created, or prepared, or fitted?

A body hast thou prepared me - The quotation in this and the two following verses is taken from Psalm 40, 6th, 7th, and 8th verses, as they stand now in the Septuagint, with scarcely any variety of reading; but, although the general meaning is the same, they are widely different in verbal expression in the Hebrew. David’s words are, אזנים כרית לי oznayim caritha li, which we translate, My ears hast thou opened; but they might be more properly rendered, My ears hast thou bored, that is, thou hast made me thy servant for ever, to dwell in thine own house; for the allusion is evidently to the custom mentioned, Exo_21:2, etc.: “If thou buy a Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve, and in the seventh he shall go out free; but if the servant shall positively say, I love my master, etc., I will not go out free, then his master shall bring him to the door post, and shall bore his ear through with an awl, and he shall serve him for ever.” But how is it possible that the Septuagint and the apostle should take a meaning so totally different from the sense of the Hebrew? Dr. Kennicott has a very ingenious conjecture here: he supposes that the Septuagint and apostle express the meaning of the words as they stood in the copy from which the Greek translation was made; and that the present Hebrew text is corrupted in the word אזנים oznayim, ears, which has been written through carelessness for אז גוה az gevah, Then a Body. The first syllable אז, Then, is the same in both; and the latter נים, which joined to אז, makes אזנים oznayim, might have been easily mistaken for גוה gevah, Body; נ nun, being very like ג gimel; י yod, like ו vau; and ה he, like final ם mem; especially if the line on which the letters were written in the MS. happened to be blacker than ordinary, which has often been a cause of mistake, it might have been easily taken for the under stroke of the mem, and thus give rise to a corrupt reading: add to this the root כרה carah, signifies as well to prepare as to open, bore, etc. On this supposition the ancient copy, translated by the Septuagint, and followed by the apostle, must have read the text thus: אז גוה כרית לי az gevah caritha li, σωμα δε κατηρτισω μοι, then a body thou hast prepared me: thus the Hebrew text, the version of the Septuagint, and the apostle, will agree in what is known to be an indisputable fact in Christianity, namely, that Christ was incarnated for the sin of the world.
The Ethiopic has nearly the same reading; the Arabic has both, A body hast thou prepared me, and mine ears thou hast opened. But the Syriac, the Chaldee, and the Vulgate, agree with the present Hebrew text; and none of the MSS. collated by Kennicott and De Rossi have any various reading on the disputed words.
It is remarkable that all the offerings and sacrifices which were considered to be of an atoning or cleansing nature, offered under the law, are here enumerated by the psalmist and the apostle, to show that none of them nor all of them could take away sin, and that the grand sacrifice of Christ was that alone which could do it.
Four kinds are here specified, both by the psalmist and the apostle, viz.:
Sacrifice, זבח zebach, θυσια·
Offering, מנחה minchah, προσφορα·
Burnt-Offering, עולה olah, ὁλοκαυτωμα·
Sin-Offering, חטאה chataah, περι ἁμαρτιας.
Of all these we may say, with the apostle, it was impossible that the blood of bulls and goats, etc., should take away sin.
Clarke

hast thou prepared me. or, thou hast fitted me. Gr. katartizō (S# G2675)

κατηρτισω
G2675
V-AMI-2S
καταρτίζω
to complete thoroughly

Just asking, not being facetious

“The invitations of the Gospel are invitations to happiness. In delivering God’s message, we do not ask men to come to a funeral, but to a wedding feast!

Spurgeon

 

 

1 Corinthians 15:45 (KJV)
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

The first man Adam is the prototype human being

The last Adam is also a prototype human being.

This is how Jesus is as human (in body) as the rest of us, yet without our sin nature.

He is his own human race. Population: Jesus.

And going through the embryonic stage, gestational surrogacy of the virgin Mary, child birth, and growing up Jesus

was born to the [legal] heritage of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David without having the sin nature.