The Covenant of Redemption

[WordSword]

 

Is the Covenant of Redemption a thing! Yes, and God is a bit mysterious concerning this one, for it is the one that is for those, whom, created after His image, are also after His “good pleasure” (Phl 2:13). These are they who are more precious to God than the angels; for man is the sole being who is after the image of God!

The present covenant of which the Christian is a recipient is a Covenant between the Father and His Son, in that the Father sacrificed the Son and raised Him from the dead after expiating the sins of the Christian (Heb 13:20, 21; Act 2:24, 32; 3:15; 4:10; 5:30; 10:40, 41; 13:30; 17:31; Rom 1:4;  4:24; 25; 8:11; 1Co 6:14, 15; 2Co 4:14; Gal 1:1; Eph 1:20; Col 2:12; 1Th 1:10; 1Pe 1:21).

In every covenant there is a benefactor and a beneficiary. If you’re in a covenant with God, He is the Benefactor, and you are the beneficiary; and you must be morally good to receive blessing; and not having a new nature presents the possibility of one returning to the “old man.” Being recipients of the Covenant between the Father and the Son we, by the Spirit using the new nature, are made to be good, so that there is no possible chance of returning to the “old man” (Phl 2:13). In the present Covenant the Benefactors are the Father and the Son, and the beneficiaries are the Christians!

We see the covenant language between God and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Lev 26:42), but there is no such language concerning the covenant with Christians. Just, "This is My body which is given for you," and "This cup is the new testament in My blood, which is shed for you" (Luk 22:19, 20); and that's all that’s necessary! No covenant between God and Christians, for He desired believers to be assured of desiring and doing His good pleasure.

There will be a New Covenant between God and the Israelites who “believe in God” (Jn 14:1) during the Millennium, after they finally see the Lord Jesus (Jer 31:31 Eze 36:24-28). I say finally, because “Jews require a sign” (Jhn 2:18; 1Co 1:22); and because Israel will not “believe” until they see Him, they forfeit the “blessing” of being in the Son-ship of Christ (Jn 20:29). Thus, they will remain a “people of God” (Heb 8:10); and Christians will be a people of God—but also sons and daughters of God, and “kings and priests” (Rev 21:3; 1:6; 5:10).

 

Note: I realize this is not plainly taught in Scripture, thus it is an inference; but it is a doctrine that I believe is not just theory but true, and I find it to be the most encouraging of all doctrines, it being the primary reason for creation.
 

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1 hour ago, WordSword said:

 

Is the Covenant of Redemption a thing! Yes, and God is a bit mysterious concerning this one, for it is the one that is for those, whom, created after His image, are also after His “good pleasure” (Phl 2:13). These are they who are more precious to God than the angels; for man is the sole being who is after the image of God!

The present covenant of which the Christian is a recipient is a Covenant between the Father and His Son, in that the Father sacrificed the Son and raised Him from the dead after expiating the sins of the Christian (Heb 13:20, 21; Act 2:24, 32; 3:15; 4:10; 5:30; 10:40, 41; 13:30; 17:31; Rom 1:4;  4:24; 25; 8:11; 1Co 6:14, 15; 2Co 4:14; Gal 1:1; Eph 1:20; Col 2:12; 1Th 1:10; 1Pe 1:21).

In every covenant there is a benefactor and a beneficiary. If you’re in a covenant with God, He is the Benefactor, and you are the beneficiary; and you must be morally good to receive blessing; and not having a new nature presents the possibility of one returning to the “old man.” Being recipients of the Covenant between the Father and the Son we, by the Spirit using the new nature, are made to be good, so that there is no possible chance of returning to the “old man” (Phl 2:13). In the present Covenant the Benefactors are the Father and the Son, and the beneficiaries are the Christians!

We see the covenant language between God and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Lev 26:42), but there is no such language concerning the covenant with Christians. Just, "This is My body which is given for you," and "This cup is the new testament in My blood, which is shed for you" (Luk 22:19, 20); and that's all that’s necessary! No covenant between God and Christians, for He desired believers to be assured of desiring and doing His good pleasure.

There will be a New Covenant between God and the Israelites who “believe in God” (Jn 14:1) during the Millennium, after they finally see the Lord Jesus (Jer 31:31 Eze 36:24-28). I say finally, because “Jews require a sign” (Jhn 2:18; 1Co 1:22); and because Israel will not “believe” until they see Him, they forfeit the “blessing” of being in the Son-ship of Christ (Jn 20:29). Thus, they will remain a “people of God” (Heb 8:10); and Christians will be a people of God—but also sons and daughters of God, and “kings and priests” (Rev 21:3; 1:6; 5:10).

 

Note: I realize this is not plainly taught in Scripture, thus it is an inference; but it is a doctrine that I believe is not just theory but true, and I find it to be the most encouraging of all doctrines, it being the primary reason for creation.
 

I appreciate your honesty in your last sentence. The matter of a Covenant with Christians is a difficult one. The reason is simple. For 1,000 years the Roman Church locked away the Bible and forbade the laity to read and study it. Since the Roman Church has no interest in the return of Christ, the have to follow the doctrine that the Church has replaced Israel. This in turn requires that all the prophecies aimed at Israel in the Old Testament must apply to the Church. And Jeremiah 31:31-33, in which a New Covenant is promised to Israel, must be forced upon the Church. But it is not so.

The New Covenant in Jeremiah 31.
The New Covenant promised in Jeremiah cannot be for the Church.

1. It is made with the House of Israel (those Tribes who followed Jereboam at the division of Solomon's Kingdom), and the "House of Judah" (those Tribes carried away to Babylon). No such division or titles are found in the Church.
2. The Church was not revealed to the Old Testament prophets
3. The Church's fathers (plural) never came out of Egypt
4. The Church has One Father - not fathers
5. The Church never had a Covenant made with them
6. The Church never had a Covenant of Law

A simple test will settle the issue. Name the conditions attached to the Covenant with the Church and when was it made. There are none.

The Blood of the New Covenant attached to the Lord's Supper.
It is assumed that the Church is under the New Covenant because when instituting His Table of commemoration, the Lord's stated that the cup contained the blood of the New Covenant. But as Jeremiah 31 has stated, the New Covenant is made with the combined Houses of Israel. Our Lord did not change that, and expected His hearers to abide by this. The blood of our Lord Jesus is shed for men "for the remission of sins" (Matt.26:28). That is ONE function of His blood. Another function of Christ's blood was to "speak better things than that of Abel's blood". Abel's blood shouts fro vengeance and God cursed the earth. The blood of Jesus IS that vengeance so God may restore the earth and lift the curse. But why does He join His blood to the New Covenant.

The reason is that any Covenant made with God assumes our falleness and it must be RATIFIED in blood (Heb.9:22). Noah offered and received the Covenant of the Rainbow, Abraham must divide the animals for God to ratify the Covenant of Promise and Moses sprinkled the blood over the people for the first Covenant of Law. The New Covenant is simply RATIFIED by Christ's blood and that is why it is mentioned at the institution of the commemoration His death. To ratify a Covenant does not mean that it is activated. For Abraham 430 years separated the ratification of the Covenant and the his "seed" entering the Land of Canaan. Because God told Abraham he would die before he possessed the Land, Abraham must wait nearly 4,000 years till he possesses the Land since he will possess it it in resurrection. So, although the New Covenant is ratified on that fateful Passover when Christ died, it's activation will only be when Christ returns and restores the divided and scattered Israel. This Covenant is found in Ezekiel 37 in connection with Israel's resurrection and gathering from all nations

The better Covenant.
Why does scripture say that the New Covenant is better? It is because the fist Covenant of Law was written OUTSIDE of man on Tables of Stone. It appealed to His flesh and this was extremely fallible (Rom.8:3). The spirit and heart of man is at enmity with God. The New Covenant of Law will have the Laws of God written INSIDE Israelites. In addition to that, Israelites will receive a new spirit and a new heart. It is to be noted that the Christian has no such thing. The Christian has had the Law crucified with Christ. He has a new Law - the Law of LIFE in Christ Jesus. He has a New Birth from above. He is made partaker of the divine nature by this birth (2nd Pet.1:4). He is transformed by beholding Christ (2nd Cor.3:18). He is made a Temple of God. He is made to et spiritually the flesh and blood of Christ to have Christ's Life (John 6). He is predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ (Rom.8:29)

The Christian under Abraham's Covenant
Galatians Chapter 3 sets a case forth that ends with the statement that Christians are seed of Abraham and HEIRS to the Covenant of Promise (v.29). Romans 4:13 agrees with this. The Covenant made with Abraham is one of PROMISE. Abraham forced it into a Covenant and God secured it twice over by His Word AND an OATH (Heb.6:16-17). The Covenant of Promise was made 430 years before the Covenant of Law was made at Horeb. It basically promises the Land of Canaan to Abraham's seed, that kings would come out of Sarah and that his seed would "possess the Gates of his enemies". When Abraham refused the spoils of the earth at the hand of the Canaanite, the Promise was extended to the WHOLE EARTH (Rom.4:13).

Our Lord Jesus came with this Kingdom and offered it to Israel - seed of Abraham via Isaac. They refused it and accused Jesus of being a servant of Beelzebub. God withdrew the offer for this affront (Matt.21:43) and started a new people for this job - the Church. But while the world was to be had by refusing the things of the earth now, Canaan was promised to the fleshly seed of Abraham - on condition ONLY of circumcision. That is, Israel is guaranteed their Land BY PROMISE. The Church is promised the whole world, but the conditions are more stringent. Circumcision is changed to Baptism since the whole flesh must be regarded as redundant (Col.2:10-12). And the Christian, like Abraham, must regard the things of this world to be forfeited (as dung) until God gives them to Him. All that remained was God to devise a way to make a Gentile seed of Abraham but not an Israelite.

This, God accomplishes in a sovereign way. Jesus is "THE seed" of Abraham. Because God allows Christ to die as a grain of Wheat (Jn.12.24) and bring forth many grains of the same kind, we, the Church, are regarded as being IN Christ. But this is all dome by the Holy Spirit via the New Birth. Thus, the Christian is "Seed of Abraham" via Christ via the Holy Spirit, not the flesh. And so the Church becomes HEIRS to the Promise without becoming Israelites. The Church is subject then to the Covenant of Promise but NOT the Covenant of Law.

I have written much. But much more is needed. Therefore from experience, and traditionally, this brings objections. Specific points can be thrashed out in debate. I'll close here.

 

God bless.

Edited September 19, 2022 by AdHoc
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[Jedi4Yahweh]

7 hours ago, AdHoc said:

I appreciate your honesty in your last sentence. The matter of a Covenant with Christians is a difficult one. The reason is simple. For 1,000 years the Roman Church locked away the Bible and forbade the laity to read and study it. Since the Roman Church has no interest in the return of Christ, the have to follow the doctrine that the Church has replaced Israel. This in turn requires that all the prophecies aimed at Israel in the Old Testament must apply to the Church. And Jeremiah 31:31-33, in which a New Covenant is promised to Israel, must be forced upon the Church. But it is not so.

The New Covenant in Jeremiah 31.
The New Covenant promised in Jeremiah cannot be for the Church.

1. It is made with the House of Israel (those Tribes who followed Jereboam at the division of Solomon's Kingdom), and the "House of Judah" (those Tribes carried away to Babylon). No such division or titles are found in the Church.
2. The Church was not revealed to the Old Testament prophets
3. The Church's fathers (plural) never came out of Egypt
4. The Church has One Father - not fathers
5. The Church never had a Covenant made with them
6. The Church never had a Covenant of Law

A simple test will settle the issue. Name the conditions attached to the Covenant with the Church and when was it made. There are none.

The Blood of the New Covenant attached to the Lord's Supper.
It is assumed that the Church is under the New Covenant because when instituting His Table of commemoration, the Lord's stated that the cup contained the blood of the New Covenant. But as Jeremiah 31 has stated, the New Covenant is made with the combined Houses of Israel. Our Lord did not change that, and expected His hearers to abide by this. The blood of our Lord Jesus is shed for men "for the remission of sins" (Matt.26:28). That is ONE function of His blood. Another function of Christ's blood was to "speak better things than that of Abel's blood". Abel's blood shouts fro vengeance and God cursed the earth. The blood of Jesus IS that vengeance so God may restore the earth and lift the curse. But why does He join His blood to the New Covenant.

The reason is that any Covenant made with God assumes our falleness and it must be RATIFIED in blood (Heb.9:22). Noah offered and received the Covenant of the Rainbow, Abraham must divide the animals for God to ratify the Covenant of Promise and Moses sprinkled the blood over the people for the first Covenant of Law. The New Covenant is simply RATIFIED by Christ's blood and that is why it is mentioned at the institution of the commemoration His death. To ratify a Covenant does not mean that it is activated. For Abraham 430 years separated the ratification of the Covenant and the his "seed" entering the Land of Canaan. Because God told Abraham he would die before he possessed the Land, Abraham must wait nearly 4,000 years till he possesses the Land since he will possess it it in resurrection. So, although the New Covenant is ratified on that fateful Passover when Christ died, it's activation will only be when Christ returns and restores the divided and scattered Israel. This Covenant is found in Ezekiel 37 in connection with Israel's resurrection and gathering from all nations

The better Covenant.
Why does scripture say that the New Covenant is better? It is because the fist Covenant of Law was written OUTSIDE of man on Tables of Stone. It appealed to His flesh and this was extremely fallible (Rom.8:3). The spirit and heart of man is at enmity with God. The New Covenant of Law will have the Laws of God written INSIDE Israelites. In addition to that, Israelites will receive a new spirit and a new heart. It is to be noted that the Christian has no such thing. The Christian has had the Law crucified with Christ. He has a new Law - the Law of LIFE in Christ Jesus. He has a New Birth from above. He is made partaker of the divine nature by this birth (2nd Pet.1:4). He is transformed by beholding Christ (2nd Cor.3:18). He is made a Temple of God. He is made to et spiritually the flesh and blood of Christ to have Christ's Life (John 6). He is predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ (Rom.8:29)

The Christian under Abraham's Covenant
Galatians Chapter 3 sets a case forth that ends with the statement that Christians are seed of Abraham and HEIRS to the Covenant of Promise (v.29). Romans 4:13 agrees with this. The Covenant made with Abraham is one of PROMISE. Abraham forced it into a Covenant and God secured it twice over by His Word AND an OATH (Heb.6:16-17). The Covenant of Promise was made 430 years before the Covenant of Law was made at Horeb. It basically promises the Land of Canaan to Abraham's seed, that kings would come out of Sarah and that his seed would "possess the Gates of his enemies". When Abraham refused the spoils of the earth at the hand of the Canaanite, the Promise was extended to the WHOLE EARTH (Rom.4:13).

Our Lord Jesus came with this Kingdom and offered it to Israel - seed of Abraham via Isaac. They refused it and accused Jesus of being a servant of Beelzebub. God withdrew the offer for this affront (Matt.21:43) and started a new people for this job - the Church. But while the world was to be had by refusing the things of the earth now, Canaan was promised to the fleshly seed of Abraham - on condition ONLY of circumcision. That is, Israel is guaranteed their Land BY PROMISE. The Church is promised the whole world, but the conditions are more stringent. Circumcision is changed to Baptism since the whole flesh must be regarded as redundant (Col.2:10-12). And the Christian, like Abraham, must regard the things of this world to be forfeited (as dung) until God gives them to Him. All that remained was God to devise a way to make a Gentile seed of Abraham but not an Israelite.

This, God accomplishes in a sovereign way. Jesus is "THE seed" of Abraham. Because God allows Christ to die as a grain of Wheat (Jn.12.24) and bring forth many grains of the same kind, we, the Church, are regarded as being IN Christ. But this is all dome by the Holy Spirit via the New Birth. Thus, the Christian is "Seed of Abraham" via Christ via the Holy Spirit, not the flesh. And so the Church becomes HEIRS to the Promise without becoming Israelites. The Church is subject then to the Covenant of Promise but NOT the Covenant of Law.

I have written much. But much more is needed. Therefore from experience, and traditionally, this brings objections. Specific points can be thrashed out in debate. I'll close here.

 

God bless.

Yes, the New Covenant belongs to the Kingdom of Israel and Kingdom of Judah according to Jeremiah.  It was because of their rejection of this covenant that it was extended to all nations.  This covenant still belongs to Israel.  This is why we must be grafted into Israel to partake of this covenant.   Once you are grafted in, you are no long a gentile "uncircumcised" but a fellow citizen of Israel and partakers of their covenant.

Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands-- remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. ... So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, - Eph 2:11-13, 19 ESV

 

Edited September 20, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh

[AdHoc]

10 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Yes, the New Covenant belongs to the Kingdom of Israel and Kingdom of Judah according to Jeremiah.  It was because of their rejection of this covenant that it was extended to all nations.  This covenant still belongs to Israel.  This is why we must be grafted into Israel to partake of this covenant.   Once you are grafted in, you are no long a gentile "uncircumcised" but a fellow citizen of Israel and partakers of their covenant.

Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands-- remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. ... So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, - Eph 2:11-13, 19 ESV

 

What a pity you don't give scriptures.

The Covenant of Promise --- extended to all nations? I read that it is ONLY with the Seed of Abraham. (Ge 17:7)

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee

Grafted into Israel? Where do you get that idea? If it comes from Romans 11 the I must point out that Israel are "branches" and not the stem. We are not grafted into branches. The Natural branches are themselves CUT OUT. A Tree in Parable is a king and his Kingdom (Judges 9, Daniel 4, Ezekiel 31). The Olive Tree is Christ and His Kingdom. The Root is holy. Only One is holy - Jesus.

The word "Commonwealth" means that you partake of trade and political advantages belonging to a nation WITHOUT becoming a citizen. A New Zealander is part of the British Commonwealth but stays a citizen of New Zealand. It states plainly in the verse you gave that we are "brought near" NOT by becoming Israelites, but by the blood of Jesus. And we are not fellow citizens of Israel. We are fellow citizens of the "household of God" - the Church - the Temple (context).

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

What a pity you don't give scriptures.

The Covenant of Promise --- extended to all nations? I read that it is ONLY with the Seed of Abraham. (Ge 17:7)

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee

Grafted into Israel? Where do you get that idea? If it comes from Romans 11 the I must point out that Israel are "branches" and not the stem. We are not grafted into branches. The Natural branches are themselves CUT OUT. A Tree in Parable is a king and his Kingdom (Judges 9, Daniel 4, Ezekiel 31). The Olive Tree is Christ and His Kingdom. The Root is holy. Only One is holy - Jesus.

The word "Commonwealth" means that you partake of trade and political advantages belonging to a nation WITHOUT becoming a citizen. A New Zealander is part of the British Commonwealth but stays a citizen of New Zealand. It states plainly in the verse you gave that we are "brought near" NOT by becoming Israelites, but by the blood of Jesus. And we are not fellow citizens of Israel. We are fellow citizens of the "household of God" - the Church - the Temple (context).

There are a ton of scripture verses in the Psalms, Isa, Jer, Joel and Zach where the same language is used speaking of a 'gathering together' from the nations (the whole earth). Is it possible that these things have their ultimate fullfillment in Christ gathering all those the Father has given Him? And the final fullfillment as Paul describes when the dead and those alive and remaining, are changed and gathered to Him?

Is it not all about Christ and those 'In Christ'...Abraham's seed. The Israel of God.

^{Isa. 43:4}  Because you are precious in my eyes, and honored, and I love you, I give men in return for you,   peoples in exchange for your life.

⁵ Fear not, for I am with you;  I will bring your offspring from the east,   and from the west I will gather you.

⁶  I will say to the north, Give up,   and to the south, Do not withhold;   bring my sons from afar   and my daughters from the end of the earth,

⁷  everyone who is called by my name,   whom I created for my glory,   whom I formed and made.”

³¹ And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1Th. 4:17 (NAS20S) Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

13 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

What a pity you don't give scriptures.

The Covenant of Promise --- extended to all nations? I read that it is ONLY with the Seed of Abraham. (Ge 17:7)

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee

I gave you scriptures...reread what I posted

And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. - Gal 3:29 KJV

16 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

The word "Commonwealth" means that you partake of trade and political advantages belonging to a nation WITHOUT becoming a citizen

Paul specifically says that you are no longer aliens but fellows citizens with Israel through the blood of Christ.

 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands-- remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. ... So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, - Eph 2:11-13, 19 ESV 

[AdHoc]

58 minutes ago, Alive said:

There are a ton of scripture verses in the Psalms, Isa, Jer, Joel and Zach where the same language is used speaking of a 'gathering together' from the nations (the whole earth). Is it possible that these things have their ultimate fullfillment in Christ gathering all those the Father has given Him? And the final fullfillment as Paul describes when the dead and those alive and remaining, are changed and gathered to Him?

Is it not all about Christ and those 'In Christ'...Abraham's seed. The Israel of God.

^{Isa. 43:4}  Because you are precious in my eyes, and honored, and I love you, I give men in return for you,   peoples in exchange for your life.

⁵ Fear not, for I am with you;  I will bring your offspring from the east,   and from the west I will gather you.

⁶  I will say to the north, Give up,   and to the south, Do not withhold;   bring my sons from afar   and my daughters from the end of the earth,

⁷  everyone who is called by my name,   whom I created for my glory,   whom I formed and made.”

³¹ And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1Th. 4:17 (NAS20S) Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

There are three peoples on earth; (i) The Nations who come from Adam via Noah, (ii) Israel who comes from Adam via Jacob, and (iii) the New Man who come from the TWO above (Eph.2:15) but who come from the Holy Spirit by a new birth. They are distinct groups. The Nations waged war against Israel and Israel persecuted the New Man. These three companies of men remain distinct till the New Earth. You have New Jerusalem with those from the apostles as the walls, those from Israel (Jacob) as the gates, and the Nations from Adam outside the Gates. All through the Old Testament Israel's distinction from the other Nations is emphasized and their Law prohibited relations with the Nations. All through the New Testament you have the New Man, the Church, asked by Christ to deny and not join the world of the Nations.

Each company of men have their destiny and their standard of judgment. Israel have Covenants with God. Their Covenant with God where God's Laws are given, the penalty for breaking the Law was that if they did not repent they would be ejected from their Land and dispersed among all Nations. But Israel, seed of Abraham, had another Covenant with God, which was made 430 years earlier, which promised them their Land based SOLELY on circumcision. So God is obliged by Covenant to give Israel their Land as "an everlasting possession" despite their breaking the Law. That is God must first PROMISE their Land back, and then God must create the JUDICIAL RIGHT to forgive them. If this is not created then God is obliged to keep the Law and leave Israel dispersed among the Nations.

The prophets you mentioned all prophesied about Israel's recovery. The Church was not revealed to the prophets of old, so you never read about the Church. The prophets of Old always followed a pattern of prophecy. (i) They warned Israel of their behavior, (ii) they predicted Israel's chastisement, and (iii) they predicted Israel's recovery. Our Lord Jesus, by dying for he sin of the world (Jn.1:29), and the sins of the world (1st Jn.2:2), created the judicial right for God to have mercy on who He likes, and so, anon, when the time given to the Gentiles to rule the earth is over, and God has collected the New Man, Israel will be restored (Act.15:14-16). It must be pointed out that Israel NEVER believe. They believe their eyes and mourn when our Lord bursts through the clouds and they see Whom they "pierced". Israel's final act is to choose the Beast, and against all of Moses' Law, place him in the Holy of Holies in a Temple in Jerusalem. That is, they remain Christ's enemy till the end.

This choice of the Beast unleashes God's anger to the uttermost. God in turn starts a period of unheard-of Tribulation on earth called "Jacob's Trouble". To spare the Church, Christ offers the diligent, faithful Overcomers of the Church and escape. They will be removed from the earth to the clouds during this time (Rev.3:10). There is no escape for Israel as they chose the Beast. But God promised that if Israel returned to the Law with all their heart, He would collect them back to their Land (Deut.30:1-5). God is not naive. He knows that Israel would never do this, but God applies the same conditions to Israel as Sodom. If a REMNANT of Israel returns to the Law, He will recover all Jews back to their Land. This REMNANT is found in Revelation 7. They are given a "Seal" so that they will not be killed during the Great Tribulation (Rev.7:1-8, 9:4). These are those who, in Revelation Chapter 12, flee to a wilderness and who "keep the Commandments of God" (Rev.12:17).

Israel and the Church NEVER MIX. Each is distinct. Each had a specific ORIGIN. Each has a different destiny. Israel's destiny is; (i) to be forgiven based on Jesus's Work - not by faith but by Covenant, (ii) to be resurrected after the Great Tribulation (Dan.12:1-2), (iii) to be gathered by angels back to their Land (Matt.24:31, Ezekiel Chapter 37). (iv) to receive a New Covenant of Law which will be kept, (v) to dwell safely and in God's favor in that Land for ever, and (vi) live with Emmanuel in their midst and serve Him. They will be ruled by (i) Jesus from Jerusalem, (ii) David as second in command (Jer.30:9) and (iii) the Twelve Apostles (Matt.19:28).

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1 hour ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Paul specifically says that you are no longer aliens but fellows citizens with Israel through the blood of Christ.

My friend, read again. "Fellow citizens of the HOUSEHOLD OF GOD" - not Israel.

God bless.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

8 hours ago, AdHoc said:

My friend, read again. "Fellow citizens of the HOUSEHOLD OF GOD" - not Israel.

God bless.

The New Covenant was made to Israel (Jer. 31:31).  In order to take part in this new covenant you must belong to Israel.  No where in scripture did God make a covenant with gentiles.  If you are in Messiah you are grafted into the covenants of Israel.  Israel is considered the natural olive tree and gentiles belong to the wild olive tree.  Paul says that some branches of the natural olive tree (Israel) were broken off that you (gentile branches) could be grafted into natural olive tree (Israel). (Rom 11)

Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands-- remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. ... So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, - Eph 2:11-13, 19 ESV

 

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14 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

The New Covenant was made to Israel (Jer. 31:31).

Correct.

 

14 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

In order to take part in this new covenant you must belong to Israel.

No. You must be seed of Abraham. Israel did not exist when the Covenant of Promise was made.

 

14 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

No where in scripture did God make a covenant with gentiles.

Yes. The Covenant of the Rainbow - Genesis 9. The Covenant is made with ALL flesh.

 

14 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

If you are in Messiah you are grafted into the covenants of Israel

No. There is no such scripture.

The scripture that you proffered states the following:

1. The Gentile believers were once alienated from Jesus
2. The Gentile believers were once alienated from the COMMONWEALTH of Israel
3. The Gentile believers were once strangers from the Covenant of PROMISE
4. The Gentile believers are brought NEAR by the blood of Jesus, not by grafting in.
5. The Gentile believers are made citizens of the HOUSEHOLD of God

A COMMONWEALTH is the state whereby OTHER nations share in the political and economic arrangements of the leading country WITHOUT taking its citizenship or changing their geographical position

The Covenant of PROMISE was made with Abraham. It has nothing to do with the Covenant of LAW made with Moses 430 years later. Christians are made heirs to the PROMISE by being Christ's (Gal.3:29). Christians NEVER partake of the Covenant of LAW. Christ nailed it to His cross. Nor do Christians partake of the New Covenant. It is one of Law and it is made with the combined Houses of Israel and Judah whose fathers came out of Egypt (Jer.31:31-33)

Abraham is promised THREE SEEDS; (i) Jesus - THE Seed (Gal.3:16), (ii) seed as the sand of the sea-shore - earthly, and (iii) seed as the stars of heaven - heavenly. Israel are in disbelief. They remains seed of the sand of the sea shore - EARTHLY. The Church believes. They undergo a new birth from ABOVE. Their calling is heavenly (Heb.3:1). Their citizenship is heavenly (Phil.3.:20). Their High Priest is heavenly (Heb.4:14, 7:26, 8:1). His speaking is from heaven (Heb.12:25). The Church members' bodies will have heavenly glory - those of Israel only earthly. The Church is far above Israel in all respects. Their ORIGIN is different, their walk is different and the Church, the HOUSEHOLD of God, is raised up because Israel rejected their Messiah and refused the Kingdom of Heaven.

Israel are just fortunate God keeps His Promises. They will be restored to their Land and become one nation again. They will enjoy the presence of Emanuel - and serve Him. To the Church is given the Kingdom of Heaven, heavenly glory, Inheritance of the whole earth and marriage to Christ.

The Covenant of PROMISE is applied to the Church because they are Christ's (Gal.3:29). They have nothing to do with Israel. Israel hates and persecutes the Church.