IF 'the dead' DEAD are not resurrected, who are we to rule and reign over for the 1000 years.

[Selah7]

18 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

The whole world are those who are of the prince of this world


2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The Christians FALL AWAY from their PROFESSED belief  because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

False Christs, doctrines, traditions of man cause the famine of the end time which is for HEARING the WORDS OF GOD.  

Read my posts.  EVERYTHING I believe is what is written.  Everyone comes back at me with vague and ambiguous verses that allow man to twist and give them a meaning that SUITS THEM but DOESN'T SUIT the WORDS OF GOD.  

BEST example this week, 

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. 

BUT NO MATTER WHAT this is what they REMAIN FAITHFUL TO, this is the truth they teach

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a SPIRIT

YEA, HATH GOD SAID? 

See how OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS is as filthy rags to GOD?  Go the way of Cain or go the way of Abel.  

Sorry, I get moody.  


They all do the same thing and that is take away the POWER AND/OR THE ARMOR OF GOD.  
OSAS -  no need to read,  you're good to go
Pre trib - no need to study won't be here,  you good to go
No resurrection till the last day - SATAN trying to negate the work of Christ on the cross - like it wasn't 100% effective. Rendering confusion and chaos as the way of the LORD.  Christ could only render a part of us saved and not ALL of us.  Though death came in a day, LIFE doesn't REALLY come about till the end and We RISE UP out from SATANS WORLD AFTER ALL.
NEW EARTH  don't believe your own eyes and ears IT ONLY LOOKS OLD
NOAHS FLOOD VS 1ST flood - heavens black, no man, no birds, perished is the same thing as heavens NOT BLACK, there are men, there are birds and the earth didn't perish.  Welcome to BABEL where what you read is never what is meant. 


That should pretty much cover everyone. Still till I am kicked off of it,  I am going to stand on that wall and do my job as GOD commands. 

Again, sorry, I don't want to hurt, just feeling compelled.

 

Uhh…you done venting?  just kidding 

It appears from what is said in Revelation 14 that all who follow the antichrist and receive the mark will perish, but, we also know that our heavenly Father is (very) fair. Do you believe that our compassionate God would punish them on the day of His wrath if people who accepted the mark of the beast did so out of ignorance (because, for example, their pastor had not taught them the Word of God accurately in church, or for any other similar reason)? We are also aware that there is only one sin that cannot be forgiven. And only the Elect are capable of committing that sin, right?

So I think people who ignorantly accept the mark of the beast will still have to face the Day of the Lord and the Great White Throne Judgment. The Second Resurrection will hopefully see a lot of people repent and turn to God during the Millennium. They will obviously not participate in the First Resurrection, and Revelation 14 makes it clear that if they do not repent from taking the mark, they will share Satan's fate and be consumed by fire from within during the moment of God's wrath at the end of the millennium (and not before).
 

Selah 

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Ok, and all that are going to be martyred are martyred WHICH ends with the 2 witnesses being killed.  

There are some left who have not worshipped the beast, have not taken the mark and we know this because the time was shortened 'or else not flesh would be saved'.  DO WE AGREE? 

So, The rest of the whole world is rejoicing at their death.  3 1/2 DAYS LATER the heavens open and the VOICE IS HEARD THE 7TH TRUMPET SOUNDS and they are raised up AND

HERE COME CHRIST AND THE ARMIES OF HEAVEN.  ALSO, In the same  the KINGDOMS OF THIS world become the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.  

WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN THE MARK OF THE BEAST 

Now that CHRIST HAS RETURNED?  Now that the DAY OF VENGEANCE has commenced?  

Not looking for the actions but the FATE of those who took the mark of the beast. 

The apocalyptic narrative is unequivocal:

 Rev 20:4  

Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge.

 And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God,

 and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image,

  and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands.

And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Rev 20:5  

 The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection.

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Selah7 said:

Uhh…you done venting?  just kidding 

It appears from what is said in Revelation 14 that all who follow the antichrist and receive the mark will perish, but, we also know that our heavenly Father is (very) fair. Do you believe that our compassionate God would punish them on the day of His wrath if people who accepted the mark of the beast did so out of ignorance (because, for example, their pastor had not taught them the Word of God accurately in church, or for any other similar reason)? We are also aware that there is only one sin that cannot be forgiven. And only the Elect are capable of committing that sin, right?

So I think people who ignorantly accept the mark of the beast will still have to face the Day of the Lord and the Great White Throne Judgment. The Second Resurrection will hopefully see a lot of people repent and turn to God during the Millennium. They will obviously not participate in the First Resurrection, and Revelation 14 makes it clear that if they do not repent from taking the mark, they will share Satan's fate and be consumed by fire from within during the moment of God's wrath at the end of the millennium (and not before).
 

Selah 

OH you so hit on a subject I have done lots of pondering and praying upon and what I have concluded is THANK GOD I AM NOT GOD.

HERE are the ways that I see it.  God knows we are ever so stupid.  And sometimes our hearts are in the right place but it isn't the Righteous place but we don't know it.  So if you have someone who OUT OF IGNORANCE is deceived but you KNOW the thoughts and the intents were 'of filthy rags', what does a MERCIFUL GOD who wishes all to come to repentance do?

I PERSONALLY FEEL, LET the wrath fall and give them the resurrection of the dead so they have 1000 years to get it right the next time.  

Have you ever read how many times Gods Wrath has fallen ON HIS OWN?  Just look up wrath.  There are a bunch OF times it has fallen upon His own.  It's not all that unusual and it is how God teaches the STUBBORN and willful and those who refuse to obey HIS WORDS.  I know they were raised up when the prisoners were set free,  so I'd like to believe those who take the mark out of ignorance will be rendered the same fate.  But the 1ST DEATH, YOU CAN BET THEY WILL suffer BUT I'm sure will be of the 2nd resurrection and not go to the 2nd death.  


Thank you for letting me vent.  I do feel better.  And I am sure this helped not at all.  What a hard thing.  That is why when bad stuff that I don't deserve happens to me I think THAT WILL HELP GOD come judgment day.  Evil people get what's coming to them and we get recompensed in a way that never ends.  

OFF with my head!!! if it be Gods Will.  Coming to that understanding was one of the best lessons I ever learned and has brought me nothing but peace.  
 


Just adding this edit because I don't have time to fix all the problems and I am on a new computer and having a hard time (going from HP to apple) doing much at all so saying sorry 

Edited October 6, 2022 by DeighAnn

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, Selah7 said:

Uhh…you done venting?  just kidding 

It appears from what is said in Revelation 14 that all who follow the antichrist and receive the mark will perish, but, we also know that our heavenly Father is (very) fair. Do you believe that our compassionate God would punish them on the day of His wrath if people who accepted the mark of the beast did so out of ignorance (because, for example, their pastor had not taught them the Word of God accurately in church, or for any other similar reason)? We are also aware that there is only one sin that cannot be forgiven. And only the Elect are capable of committing that sin, right?

So I think people who ignorantly accept the mark of the beast will still have to face the Day of the Lord and the Great White Throne Judgment. The Second Resurrection will hopefully see a lot of people repent and turn to God during the Millennium. They will obviously not participate in the First Resurrection, and Revelation 14 makes it clear that if they do not repent from taking the mark, they will share Satan's fate and be consumed by fire from within during the moment of God's wrath at the end of the millennium (and not before).

Selah 

I have this article bookmarked:

The Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ – 17 Questions Answered - Passionately Loving Jesus

Verses For special attention:

Rev 17:13-14  These kings have one purpose: to yield their power and authority to the beast.  (14)  They will make war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will triumph over them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and He will be accompanied by His called and chosen and faithful ones.”

Rev 18:24  And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.

Rev 19:13-15  He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.  (14)  The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses.  (15)  And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.

Rev 19:19-21  Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army.  (20)  But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.  (21)  And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse. And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
 

TRIBULATION OVER - MILLENIUM BEGINS
 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Revelation 20:4

 

And I saw thrones and they sat upon them andante the souls of those having been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus  and because of the word of God and those who not did worship the beast nor the image of him and not did take the mark upon the forehead and upon the hand of them And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years

THEY DIDN'T TO COME TO LIFE because THEY NEVER DIED.  

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 

THOUGH HE WERE DEAD ARE THOSE UNDER THE OLD COVENANT ABOUT TO BE SET FREE FROM THE PRISON BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB SLAIN THAT WASHES THEM FREE OF SIN AND SO DEATH CAN NO LONGER HOLD THEM. AKA NO SIN NO DEATH
 

John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?


Can't be MADE ALIVE unless you have DIED.  And if you NEVER DIE you are always alive.  A man is body and spirit.  A body without a spirit is dead and a spirit without a body is air.  Neither of those two options are living souls.  WE ARE NOT to try and divide what GOD HAS brought together.  

[com7fy8]

On 10/5/2022 at 9:44 AM, DeighAnn said:

Where do they come from?

First, there are remaining evil people who do not die in the tribulation. So, I would say that they have children, and there are the thousand years for them and ones coming from them to replenish and possibly increase the world population so there can be soldiers "as the sand of the sea" (Revelation 20:8) for the end-time battle.

[com7fy8]

On 10/5/2022 at 11:31 AM, DeighAnn said:

All I asked was how many people are going to stop eating, driving, clothing, using electricity etc. for 3 1/2 years?

Remember if they DON'T READ THE BIBLE they won't know it's a problem will they?  If they don't know it's a problem then why would they NOT buy and sell?

It says that ones who do not receive the mark of the beast will not be able to buy or sell. 

So, they won't be able to buy or sell unless they have that mark. 

And, yes, in case you mean this . . . if they don't know God's word, it is possible they won't have a problem with getting the mark and worshiping the beast. 

Or . . . someone will warn them, though they have not read the Bible. Word of mouth can work. And God could just convict them so they realize something is wrong with the devil's thing.

But in any case, I see through Revelation chapter seven that there will be many who refuse Satan, during the tribulation. So, these will know somehow.

Edited October 6, 2022 by com7fy8

[Michael37]

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Revelation 20:4

 

And I saw thrones and they sat upon them andante the souls of those having been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus  and because of the word of God and those who not did worship the beast nor the image of him and not did take the mark upon the forehead and upon the hand of them And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years

THEY DIDN'T TO COME TO LIFE because THEY NEVER DIED.  

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 

THOUGH HE WERE DEAD ARE THOSE UNDER THE OLD COVENANT ABOUT TO BE SET FREE FROM THE PRISON BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB SLAIN THAT WASHES THEM FREE OF SIN AND SO DEATH CAN NO LONGER HOLD THEM. AKA NO SIN NO DEATH
 

John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?


Can't be MADE ALIVE unless you have DIED.  And if you NEVER DIE you are always alive.  A man is body and spirit.  A body without a spirit is dead and a spirit without a body is air.  Neither of those two options are living souls.  WE ARE NOT to try and divide what GOD HAS brought together.  

The opinion continuum has its variations.

I agree  with the translations that support the tribulation martyrs being the last saints on earth, after whose execution the wrath of God is exacted on the beast, the false prophet, and  those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.

Rev 19:11-15  Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war.  (12)  He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows.  (13)  He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.  (14)  The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses.  (15)  And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.

[Revelation Man]

On 10/4/2022 at 3:17 PM, DeighAnn said:

What can we all AGREE with as far as when Christ returns as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS? 
 

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

This is Jesus speaking unto his Disciples specifically, but also to the Church in General, its a warning not to be like unto Judas who was like unto the Seed who sprouts, then loses its place to the weeds etc. Jesus in this verse is telling his Disciples they must endure until the end of their lives, he just told them in verses 10-11 they would all be betrayed and killed, (Save John). By forewarning them, they knew what was coming. Its not about the End Times per se.

On 10/4/2022 at 3:17 PM, DeighAnn said:

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

 

This is about the End Times, BUT.....it was meant as a Road Map Instruction Booklet for his Disciples, let me show everyone why !! Jesus just informed his Disciples that Jerusalem would fall (Matt. 24:4-6) then explained the coming Church Age birth pangs which lead unto the very END (70th week) like a Baby comes at the very END of a pregnancy. THEN........Jesus explains how they willall be betrayed and die, and finally he tells them when THE END will come, when the Gospel has been Preached unto ALL NATIONS, now put yourselves in the Disciples place, does this make everything clear for you?

Yes, of course, the Disciples knew that China, India and Russia (Scythians) had to be preached unto before Jesus could ever return, thus they knew it would not happen in their lifetimes unless they could get the Gospel unto the whole known world, hence they had a goal, AND they could not be DECIEVED about False Christs showing up in 70 AD (Verses 4-6). They knew therefore they would die via False Prophets, not supposed Christian fakes, but the Religions who were losing their patrons unto Christianity were angry, they appealed unto Rome, Greece, etc. etc. The Jupiter and Zeus worshipers, amongst others are the false prophets mentioned in verse 11. 

Therefore when the Gospel has been preached unto all the world as in NOW, the End (70th week) will come via the Rapture of the Church. Amen. 

On 10/4/2022 at 3:17 PM, DeighAnn said:

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)


Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 

(THE ALIVE AND REMAINING who endure to the end  WILL BE THE ONLY FLESH SAVED)

The Jews who get saved (the 1/3 seen in Zechariah 13:8-9) during the 70th week, after the Rapture of the Church, will indeed understand that they must Flee Judea when they see the AoD, that happens when the False Prophet forbids Jesus Worship AFTER the Jews Repent, Zech. 13:8-9 AND Malachi 4:5 both say this happens JUDST BEFORE the coming DOTL (Zech. 14:1). 

So, as per the days being Shortened, you look at it in a wrong manner IMHO, you are thinking in your mind the 70th week will be shortened, you know the whole week God has already planed out, prophesied about, split into, and told us the Beast will come to power in the Middle of the Week at the 1260 then RULES for 1260 days, but you somehow think God just goin to do away with all of His promises and plans just because Jesus stated a HARD FACT that when he (Jesus) returns 7 years AFTER the Rapture, and after the Beast rules for 1260 days, then AT THAT POINT IN TIME, the Anti-Christs LIFESPAN is shortened, and his RULE is Shortened by Jesus/God who has PRE PLANED it all to total up to 7 Years fir the 70t week, and 1260 dats fir the Beasts Rule so YES INDEED.........God Shortens it all by TAKING OVER, Jesus kills the Anti-Christ and throws Satan in the bottomless pit !! He does not shorten the PRE PLANED 70th Week. That is just a Misnomer.  

You are CONFLATING two different eras and issues, the Rapture happens via verse 14, everything AFTER THAT is the 70th week. So, no Church Members saved when Jesus calls us home will be on earth, NOR DO WE RULE on earth with Jesus during the 70th week, Rev. 20:4 proves this. It specifically says ONLY those Martyred during the 70th week for REFUSING to take the Mark of the Beast, will live and reign WITH Jesus for 1000 years, none of us who are Raptured Pre Trib will rule with Jesus, he doesnp't need Billions. I fully think we return to finish off New Jerusalem, then when it descends, that is why New Jerusalem is called THE BRIDE, we are in New Jerusalem as it descends. 

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them(we the Church sit in JUDGMENT), and judgment was given unto them(us the Church): and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast,(ONLY 70th week men & women qualify) neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they (ONLY THEY) lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

So, we do not all live and reign with Jesus for his 1000 year reign, ONLY THEY, whop were Martyred by the Beast do !!

On 10/4/2022 at 3:17 PM, DeighAnn said:

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

NONE WILL BE MISSED.

This simply means the PART LEFT (Remnant) that gathered with the Beast and his Armies. Jesus will wipe them all out.

On 10/4/2022 at 3:17 PM, DeighAnn said:

That leaves NO FLESH alive on the earth EXCEPT those who DIDN'T take the mark of the beast

and THOSE ARE CHANGED/TRANSFORMED and gathered up into the LORDS ARMY 

and then

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

That leaves the 5 Million Jews, the few Gentiles who hid well (the Remnant Church) from Rev. 12:16-17 and those who were not saved but also refused to GATHER and fight against God. That is why we the Church have to JUDGE THEM, we have already been Judged at the Marriage unto the Lamb, in Heaven, during the 70th week. Thus the slain Remnant Church must be judged now.

THEY that live and Reign with Christ were the Martyrs, NOTICE, it specifically states I saw THE SOULS of them that were BEHEADED, they have died, they were Martyrs, that's why they can live 1000 years, humans can not live that long. They get their "White Robes" (Glorious Bodies) and live on earth, the Church doesn't stay on earth, ONLY THOSE who were Martyred during the 70th week stay. 

On 10/4/2022 at 3:17 PM, DeighAnn said:

I put forth that the DEAD will be resurrected both the just and the unjust.  BOTH because until THE DEAD STAND IN JUDGMENT can't know one from the other

Jesus knows his sheep. The Rest of the Dead (The Wicked) are raised (and Judged) 1000 years later. That is the 2nd Resurrection.

 

[DeighAnn]

21 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

By forewarning them, they knew what was coming. Its not about the End Times per se.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.


What I would like to know is how is it,  you can take from what is a direct answer, to a direct question,  about a specific time,  and then say IT ISN'T about that?  

You do realize we all have our own bibles and know how to read them, right?   

IN case you missed it some how, THE QUESTION BEING ASKED IS

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Do you see how someone who would say "it's not about the end times per se" might ACTUALLY come across as someone who IS TRYING TO DECEIVE YOU?

I think it is pretty safe to say EVERYONE KNOWS who Jesus was speaking to when He was speaking but if you are saying that to try and control the narrative then I think you maybe woefully out of step with the leading and guiding of the Holy Spirit as that is HIS JOB, not yours.  

and vs 10 and 11 weren't to them personally as they didn't live in the end times as proven by US still living here and coming to the end of sorrows.

46 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

now put yourselves in the Disciples place, does this make everything clear for you?

Yes, that what was for them to record, was for the final generation to live, and every generation in between to pass on.  And all the rest of that makes no sense to me

 

 

51 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

The Jews who get saved (the 1/3 seen in Zechariah 13:8-9) during the 70th week, after the Rapture of the Church, will indeed understand that they must Flee Judea when they see the AoD, that happens when the False Prophet forbids Jesus Worship AFTER the Jews Repent, Zech. 13:8-9 AND Malachi 4:5 both say this happens JUDST BEFORE the coming DOTL (Zech. 14:1). 

Sorry, LOST ME completely as I don't believe in

'the pre trib' DEMAND THAT JESUS LEAVE THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD.  
 

Is it during the war in heaven is it after the war in heaven does He follow Satan or does Satan follow Him, if TRIB SAINTS are the result then why not have all your most 'learned' and 'armored' remain rather that leave it in the hands of those who have no teachers and a year or two to learn, which would be the all time worst decision any general ever made in a time of war and God isn't stupid, or is it while there is silence in heaven,  is it part of the body is it all of the body is it the bride or is it the wife is it for the wedding or the supper, is it when He comes in the clouds and brings the armies of heaven is it secret or is it seen by everyone but no matter what any of those answers are claimed as truth NONE OF THEM ARE WRITTEN.   


You know, not one word ever came out of the mouth of Jesus about the rapture.  AND every opportunity HE HAD to ADDRESS IT, He said NOTHING and you must know this.   IF I AM LYING THEN please by all means PRODUCE something because   

1 Corinthians 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.


I am not sure what part of THE WHOLE WORLD WILL BE DECEIVED you are not getting?  

THERE will be NO NEED TO FORBID WORSHIP OF JESUS BECAUSE HE IS GOING TO BE CLAIMING TO BE JESUS AND THE WHOLE WORLD WILL BELIEVE HIM.  

How do you think the daily sacrifice and oblation are cut off???  THEY DON'T STOP

THEY JUST STOP GOING TO GOD IN HEAVEN.  

Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

He spake LIES AND DECEPTION and he deceives and HE IS SO GOOD THAT THE TIME HAS TO BE SHORTENED.  

Revelation 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Revelation 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

AGAIN, the whole world is going to believe IT IS THE LAMB returned to rule and reign.  YOU know why THE WHOLE WORLD WILL BELIEVE HIM?  Cause the CHURCH who should be TEACHING GODS TRUTH is so preoccupied with their own little theories that they REFUSE to believe WHAT IS WRITTEN.  So NO ONE can see the TRUTH.  

Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

SOULS ARE dying left and right THROUGH DECEPTION, not death of the flesh.  THEY ARE WILLINGLY worshipping the beast.  KNOW WHO IS TURNING IN THOSE WHO AREN'T?   Their own FAMILY, because they are doing it out of LOVE because they believe they are HELPING them.  

Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

What KIND of death are they DYING?  THE SPIRITUAL ONE, THE ONE THAT HAPPENS WHEN 
 

Exodus 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
 

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Ephesians 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Ephesians 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

BUT pre trib got them running for their lives so hard they don't see the death that is standing right in front of them.  

DECEPTION isn't in your face.  DECEPTION isn't murdering those who believe in GOD in front of the whole world, Deception is murdering their souls by doing just what he did the FIRST TIME AND THAT IS BY 
 

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


Does any of that make any sense to you?  Probably no more that what you believe does to me.  So let's say you and I not go down this road. 

UNLESS you really want to.  I haven't gone all OCD in a few years, might be time to exercise that knowledge again.