Climate Change Is Extremely Political And Agenda Serving, Unfortunately It Is Also True

[Rick-Parker]

On 10/12/2022 at 4:36 PM, JimmyB said:

Absurd!  You should learn something about the climate before you post.

What is "absurd" is thinking that man can control or alter the climate.

[JimmyB]

18 minutes ago, Rick-Parker said:

What is "absurd" is thinking that man can control or alter the climate.

The climate can be controlled to a degree by what we do.  For example, the burning of fossil fuels causes a rise in temperature of the earth's atmosphere.  Do you think the temperature simply rises on its own?

[Starise]

The first I remember hearing about climate change was when the ozone layer was discussed, and basically how it is shrinking. Greenhouse gases were said to be the cause for it. According to scientists, if the ozone layer shrinks, more harmful UV enters the atmosphere and it drives earth temperatures up among other things. 

Then other reports came out stating  the ozone layer rebuilds itself, however this was not highly publicized. At that time, back in the 90's many nations including the US halted or slowed the production of HCFC refrigerants. Since car emissions were said to also be one of the main issues causing the problems, strict emissions limits were placed on cars. China and Mexico were not involved in these measures, so they never complied, even when China was probably one of the world's largest polluters, so the global impact was never felt much so far as I knew. Our refrigerants in the US were being phased out with more expensive less efficient refrigerants, while China was still making the old gases.

People around the world taking UV measurements have reported much higher levels than what had been typical for their areas. This has been going on for at least a few years now. Places like Arizona are getting some extreme UV radiation from time to time. No wonder there is an increase in cancers. I know it's hot there in the summer, but some places reported temps of 125F in the US southwest this past summer. That's HOT. Really too hot to be in and not have some sort of cooling or protection.

I can see the loss of trees through fire and deforesting coupled with the destructive characteristics of exhaust gases having a gradual impact on the world's ecology.

And we can argue all we want. It can't be argued what we have been seeing in the climate, whether partially man induced, the result of natural trends and planetary influences, or both.

Edited October 14, 2022 by Starise

[ayin jade]

Please explain the period of warming around 1000 ad. Certainly it was not man caused yet it was clearly warmer than now.

[other one]

2 hours ago, JimmyB said:

The climate can be controlled to a degree by what we do.  For example, the burning of fossil fuels causes a rise in temperature of the earth's atmosphere.  Do you think the temperature simply rises on its own?

It has in the past.  

[believeinHim]

On 10/12/2022 at 9:24 AM, JimmyB said:

It says you live in the Tampa Bay area.  After Hurricane Ian and other recent, destructive storms, you don't believe in climate change?  Wait a few years, when the oceans become even warmer and hurricanes increase in strength...

We have had the same number of hurricanes, At the same volume 50 years ago. It happens every 50 years or so. 

[JimmyB]

16 minutes ago, other one said:

It has in the past.  

Can you be more specific?  

[JimmyB]

Just now, believeinHim said:

We have had the same number of hurricanes, At the same volume 50 years ago. It happens every 50 years or so. 

But they have been increasing in intensity because the oceans are warmer (including the Gulf of Mexico)

[believeinHim]

16 minutes ago, other one said:

It has in the past.  

It has all risen and fallen in the past. An asteroid hit the Earth and caused an ice age. I think it would take an act of congress for that to happen again, But I suppose an asteroid could do it. I don't tend to believe that either, As there is a small glitch that said it happened 466 million years ago according to some sources. 

[JimmyB]

3 minutes ago, believeinHim said:

We have had the same number of hurricanes, At the same volume 50 years ago. It happens every 50 years or so. 

And your source of information is?

 

In some ocean basins, the intensification of hurricanes over time has been linked to rising ocean temperatures. Since 1970, sea surface temperatures worldwide have warmed by about an average of 0.1°C per decade. This warming is especially pronounced in the North Atlantic basin. Sea levels are also rising as the oceans warm and seawater expands.

 

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From 1980-2018, tropical cyclones have caused the most damage, have the highest average event cost, and are responsible for more deaths than any other billion-dollar weather and climate disaster type in the US. 

In a warmer climate, hurricane precipitation is projected to increase by about 20% near the eye of the storm and the average storm intensity is expected to increase 2-11%.

Many environmental factors contribute to the development of a tropical cyclone. These include, but are not limited to, ocean water temperatures, atmospheric temperatures, air moisture levels, distance from the equator, and wind speeds and directions. Whether or not a tropical cyclone is categorized as a tropical storm or hurricane depends on its maximum sustained wind speed.

The intensity of North Atlantic hurricanes and the number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes has increased since the 1980s.These increases are due in part to warmer sea surface temperatures in the areas where Atlantic hurricanes form and pass through. An active area of research involves determining how much of this sea surface temperature increase can be attributed to natural causes versus human causes and whether the frequency and duration of hurricanes will continue to increase in the future.

While there is uncertainty as to whether the frequency and duration of hurricanes will increase, scientists project that storm intensity and rainfall rates will increase in the future. Hurricane-related impacts can be magnified by other environmental factors such as increasing sea levels. Additionally, a growing concentration of people and properties in coastal areas where hurricanes strike can result in increased damages when these storms make landfall. For example, sea levels rose a foot over the last century off the coast of New York City. As a result, the storm surge, flooding, and associated damages to infrastructure and communities were more severe when Hurricane Sandy hit than they would have been a few decades ago.  Source: NEEF (The National Environmental Education Foundation)

Edited October 14, 2022 by JimmyB