Catholics Vs. Protestants (I don't get it)

[Starise]

8 hours ago, ayin jade said:

Invite him to your church?

Good suggestion. I would probably do that but we are at opposite directions from where we work. It would be a long haul for him. A very long haul.

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

Good suggestion. I would probably do that but we are at opposite directions from where we work. It would be a long haul for him. A very long haul.

You should leave him alone. There is no need to make him a cultural Christian of some Christian order...and it is not mandatory for him to become a full pledged disciples. 

What is important at this stage it is to understand that believing in Jesus is what God is asking us to do...

And he may believe, probably if he is from a Catholic background he believes...

No need to discuss doctrines with him, if you do you are going to loose...

Catholics believe like the Jews and the Greeks and the Roman's believe and the Egyptians in an active life after death..

And do not give them the KJV of the bible.  

Edited October 17, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[JohnR7]

10 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Excellent use taking scriptures out of context to support unsupportable positions.

People are always guilty of what they accuse others of. So you should know that you are: "taking scriptures out of context to support unsupportable positions."

The main thing is in Luke 1:30 "The angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God." Mary and Jesus set an example for us on how we can find favor with God. I think if we want to have favor with God, then we are going to need to live a Holy Sanctified life. 

1 Corinthians 7:29

28But if you do marry, you have not sinned. And if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this. 29What I am saying, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none;

Paul tells us that if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who are married should be as though they are not married. They do not need to take full advantage of their marriage. Lots of people complain that their marriage is not really a marriage. 

If we want favor with God we are going to need to live right before God. People find offense with Catholics because they use Mary as an example of how to live right before God. 

[Starise]

13 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You should leave him alone. There is no need to make him a cultural Christian of some Christian order...and it is not mandatory for him to become a full pledged disciples. 

What is important at this stage it is to understand that believing in Jesus is what God is asking us to do...

And he may believe, probably if he is from a Catholic background he believes...

No need to discuss doctrines with him, if you do you are going to loose...

Catholics believe like the Jews and the Greeks and the Roman's believe and the Egyptians in an active life after death..

And do not give them the KJV of the bible.  

I have not felt led to approach him gang busters. I don't usually charge into anything without a lot of thought and prayer. 

Some people respond better to a total stranger they have no history with while others might be more prone to listen to a co worker. I once worked with an atheist and it didn't seem like anything I ever said make one iota of difference. I wasn't over powering but I did pray for the man's soul and I said things that fit at certain times.

I approach most Catholics with caution because I know if they have been in that church for many years and have never heard anything else, they will be very reluctant to listen to what they perceive as an attack. Only God can change a heart. 

The church I attended years also had some fairly deep theological inconsistencies. While it wasn't a Catholic church, I began to see some things that just were not making sense to me. This is when I began to study more and came to realize I had been misinformed. This must be the way anyone feels who has been in a religious bubble and suddenly they realize that bubble is very wrong. Could be a Jehovah's Witness, a Mormon, A Muslim, A Catholic.....or in some cases a protestant church such as Baptist.

The decision then needs to be made as to how thick you will allow your skin to be when you see these things. No matter where a person attends church there will probably be something you could pick out. These will often be little things that in the total scheme of it could be moved past. Other times, the problems will be extreme and even totally counter to the gospel.

My church does not read the apostles creed, but I was recently in a protestant church funeral where they all read the apostles creed from a bulletin . I WILL NOT support a document that gives any kind of allegiance to the Catholic church. It's the REASON I am a protestant.  

Apostles Creed-

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
      creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
      who was conceived by the Holy Spirit
      and born of the virgin Mary.
      He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
      was crucified, died, and was buried;
      he descended to hell.
      The third day he rose again from the dead.
      He ascended to heaven
      and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
      From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
      the holy catholic* church,
      the communion of saints,
      the forgiveness of sins,
      the resurrection of the body,
      and the life everlasting. Amen.

[Jayne]

15 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

1 Corinthians 7:29

28But if you do marry, you have not sinned. And if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this. 29What I am saying, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none;

Paul tells us that if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who are married should be as though they are not married. They do not need to take full advantage of their marriage. 

Are you saying that this verse from Paul is teaching that people should remain virgins when they marry?

What about the previous verses at the beginning of the same chapter where Paul teaches that husbands and wives ARE to be sexually active and not to deprive each other - that their bodies are not their own?

Is Paul contradicting himself?

Are you claiming that Mary was a perpetual virgin?  The Bible says otherwise.  The Bible says she and Joseph had normal sexual relations after Jesus was born.

 

[JohnR7]

42 minutes ago, Jayne said:

Are you saying that this verse from Paul is teaching that people should remain virgins when they marry?

Paul is talking about second marriages. Esp if children are involved because we need to sanctify our children to keep them safe. 

Paul is difficult to understand, but also he was very controversial. I think a part of why he was difficult to understand is because people were so critical, and he may have got tired of all the persecution. 

Jesus would say remain unmarried. Paul is looking for a legal loop hole. You can get married, but do not take full advantage of the marriage. I was divorced 40 years ago and it has taken me a long time to understand a lot of this .

The Bible is literal, but also a metaphor. We cannot get our virginity back, but we can live pure and chase. 

[Your closest friendnt]

12 hours ago, Starise said:

I have not felt led to approach him gang busters. I don't usually charge into anything without a lot of thought and prayer. 

Some people respond better to a total stranger they have no history with while others might be more prone to listen to a co worker. I once worked with an atheist and it didn't seem like anything I ever said make one iota of difference. I wasn't over powering but I did pray for the man's soul and I said things that fit at certain times.

I approach most Catholics with caution because I know if they have been in that church for many years and have never heard anything else, they will be very reluctant to listen to what they perceive as an attack. Only God can change a heart. 

The church I attended years also had some fairly deep theological inconsistencies. While it wasn't a Catholic church, I began to see some things that just were not making sense to me. This is when I began to study more and came to realize I had been misinformed. This must be the way anyone feels who has been in a religious bubble and suddenly they realize that bubble is very wrong. Could be a Jehovah's Witness, a Mormon, A Muslim, A Catholic.....or in some cases a protestant church such as Baptist.

The decision then needs to be made as to how thick you will allow your skin to be when you see these things. No matter where a person attends church there will probably be something you could pick out. These will often be little things that in the total scheme of it could be moved past. Other times, the problems will be extreme and even totally counter to the gospel.

My church does not read the apostles creed, but I was recently in a protestant church funeral where they all read the apostles creed from a bulletin . I WILL NOT support a document that gives any kind of allegiance to the Catholic church. It's the REASON I am a protestant.  

Apostles Creed-

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
      creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
      who was conceived by the Holy Spirit
      and born of the virgin Mary.
      He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
      was crucified, died, and was buried;
      he descended to hell.
      The third day he rose again from the dead.
      He ascended to heaven
      and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
      From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
      the holy catholic* church,
      the communion of saints,
      the forgiveness of sins,
      the resurrection of the body,
      and the life everlasting. Amen.

Good to hear that, you should never tell him to believe in Jesus Christ but rather that you are happy that he and his family have obeyed God and believe in his Son Jesus Christ..

You have to see him under the blood of Jesus Christ, they way Jesus is seeing him. 

You have to see him Justified in the blood of Jesus Christ or the name of Jesus Christ. 

Even though he cannot see himself justified in the blood of Jesus Christ...

Jesus can see him Justified in his blood because he believes in him that he died for the forgiveness of his sins...

You must see him in the light of Jesus and at the same time been surrounded by his religious culture. And being guarded by the guards of that culture.   

(you see how I was careful not to (say Catholic, or named any other  culture)..

You had your own experience when the Holy Spirit opened your mind to see the errors in some other Christian cultures. 

I did not say not to go to church and participate in the worship....or sing songs and pray with them...but not to give your heart to them in everything they say and do...

To show independence is one thing, to be defiant is another. ..because they are very sensitive to that and they will push you aside...they will promote those who are willing to carry their flag in the front lines...who say yes Lord, yes Lord and they are in the front lines...

They know who are following from far behind because they want to observe everyone what they do and what they say...putting everyone under their microscopic lenses.

Do not worry about their culture...that too, but do not show it and do not bring it up.  

Think good about them because they can read your heart...do not see them as lost but in the blood of Jesus Christ... in the Life of the blood of Jesus Christ...

****

If you meet Catholics who have left the Culture or the Culture does not want them...then bring them to Jesus and about a Christian culture....I do not know about that...rather make them responsible to be the ones to teach their children about Jesus...and the Christian conscience ...or go to church for the fellowship of praying singing songs and celebrating with others believers the important holidays which is good for the children...

And someone has to mary "you" and baptized "you" and buried "you".

People need the church for those things also...the moto is "we can do with the church, and we can do without the church". This way we win over the Catholics..  

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[steve morrow]

WICKED / HELL / WARNING 

EZEKIEL 3:17  son of man I have made thee a watchman unto the house of israel therefore hear the word at  MY  MOUTH  --and give them warning from  ME--

--3:18--  when I say to the wicked thou shalt --surely die-- and thou givest him not warning --nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way to save his life-- the same wicked man shall die in his ---INIQUITY--- but his blood will I require at thine hand ---

--3:20-- again when --a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness and commit iniquity and I lay a stumbling block before him  ---  he shall die because thou hast not given him warning---  he shall die in his sin and   HIS  RIGHTEOUSNESS  which he hath done shall not be remembered   ---but his blood will I require at thine hand---

 

*******ACTS 20:26  wherefore I take you to record this day --that I am pure from the blood of all men--

--20:27-- for I have --not shunned-- to declare unto you  --all the counsel of  GOD*******

 

EZEKIEL 3:21  nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man that the righteous sin not and he doth not sin --he shall surely live because he is warned  ---  also thou hast delivered thy soul--

EZEKIEL 33:7  so thou O son of man I have set thee a watchman unto the house of israel  therefore thou shalt hear the word at  MY  mouth and warn them from  ME

--33:8--  when I say unto the wicked o wicked man --thou shalt surely die-- if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way that wicked man shall die in his iniquity but --his blood will I require at thine hand--

--33:9--  nevertheless if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it --if he do not turn from his way he shall die in his iniquity   --  but thou hast delivered thy soul--

 

PSALM 119:155  salvation is far from  --the wicked--  for they seek not thy statutes

 

MATTHEW 7:21  not everyone that saith unto  ME  LORD  LORD  shall enter into the kingdom of heaven --but he that doeth the will of  --MY  FATHER--  which is in heaven--

--7:22--  many will say unto  ME  in that day  LORD  LORD  have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils and in thy name done many wonderful works 

 

--7:23--  and then I will profess unto them --I never knew you depart from  ME  you that  --WORK  INIQUITY-- 

 

PSALM 7:11  GOD  judgeth the righteous and  --GOD  IS  ANGRY  WITH  THE  WICKED  EVERY  DAY--

PSALM 50:16  but unto the wicked  GOD  saith --what hast thou to do to declare my statutes   --   or that thou shouldest take  MY  covenant in thy mouth

--50:17-- seeing thou hatest instruction and castest   --MY  WORDS--  behind thee 

 

PSALM 9:17  THE  WICKED  SHALL  BE  TURNED  INTO   ---HELL---  AND  ALL  THE  NATIONS  THAT  FORGET  GOD

 

2 TIMOTHY 2:19  nevertheless the foundation of  GOD  standeth sure having this seal   THE  LORD  knoweth them that are  HIS  and --let evryone that nameth the name of  CHRIST  depart from iniquity--

ROMANS 10:13  for whosoever shall call upon the name of  THE  LORD  shall be saved

ACTS 3:26  ---unto you first  GOD  having raised up  HIS  SON  JESUS  sent   --HIM--  to bless you in turning away everyone of you from his iniquities---

 

PROVERBS 10:27  the fear of  THE  LORD  prolongeth days  ---but the years of the wicked shall be shortened---

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

 

 

 

[Guest]

14 hours ago, Not of the World said:

Didn't Luther also call Jews "liars"?  

I didn't write what I did to defend Luther.  Who of us are perfect?   There is one that is perfect and His name is Jesus.  I, on the other hand, am a flawed follower of His.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Paul is talking about second marriages. Esp if children are involved because we need to sanctify our children to keep them safe. 

Paul is difficult to understand, but also he was very controversial. I think a part of why he was difficult to understand is because people were so critical, and he may have got tired of all the persecution. 

Jesus would say remain unmarried. Paul is looking for a legal loop hole. You can get married, but do not take full advantage of the marriage. I was divorced 40 years ago and it has taken me a long time to understand a lot of this .

The Bible is literal, but also a metaphor. We cannot get our virginity back, but we can live pure and chase. 

I believe you are adding much to God's Word, much like the Pharisees.