Hiding in caves

[OneLight]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You say you have been following the Lamb but you say they can't follow the Lamb without him coming first.

I never said that, ever.  That is what you want to see, so you believe it, just like what you do with scripture.  I challenge you to show me my own words where I said such a thing.

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

They do exactly what he tells them to do in the gospel. They go throughout israel preaching the gospel to anyone who will hear them and are persecuted for it just like Jesus said. 

They follow the Lord wherever He goes, or are you now saying scripture is not true?  Yes, they are the witness to Israel, but they do not leave His side.

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You know darn well you have never gone through israel preaching the gospel or even telling the people there that the kingdom of heaven is near. 

How did you ever come up with the idea of me ever claiming such an outrageous statement?  This is what I meant when I said some of your ideas are so far out that we need a GPS to keep track of them.

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You will never do what they do in the gospel. 

I never claimed I would, so please don't assign to me things I never said.

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, David1701 said:

More insults...

P.S. A generation is not the same thing as how long someone lives.

Your the one following commentaries as though they were the gospel. It's your choice who you wish to follow. 

So, show us in the bible where a generation means what you say. 

Gen 13:15

 

Then the LORD said to him, “Know for certain that for four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own and that they will be enslaved and mistreated there.
But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions.

You, however, will go to your ancestors in peace and be buried at a good old age.

In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure.”

400 years devided by 4 generations =100 years. 

Edited November 9, 2022 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

I never said that, ever.  That is what you want to see, so you believe it, just like what you do with scripture.  I challenge you to show me my own words where I said such a thing.

They follow the Lord wherever He goes, or are you now saying scripture is not true?  Yes, they are the witness to Israel, but they do not leave His side.

How did you ever come up with the idea of me ever claiming such an outrageous statement?  This is what I meant when I said some of your ideas are so far out that we need a GPS to keep track of them.

I never claimed I would, so please don't assign to me things I never said.

Then you agree that Christ talks directly to them in the gospel. After all  if you say you follow the Lamb because you claim you do what Jesus says, and scripture plainly states that they follow the Lamb everywhere he goes gives proof that they do everything he says in the gospel. 

You can't say they don't. 

So when they see these things, they will stand up and life up their heads as Jesus told them too. If you say they don't, then it's you who say they don't do what Jesus says. 

Luke 21:28

When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
 

[OneLight]

9 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Then you agree that Christ talks directly to them in the gospel. After all  if you say you follow the Lamb because you claim you do what Jesus says, and scripture plainly states that they follow the Lamb everywhere he goes gives proof that they do everything he says in the gospel. 

You can't say they don't. 

You do know there is more than one way to use the word "follow", right?  Here are two very basic examples:

1. "You go first and I will follow."
2. "Follow the instruction given to you."

It's not that hard to understand.  When the 144,000 are said to follow Jesus everywhere He goes, it is used as in example 1.   When we are to follow what is written, it is used in example 2.  The two are not used the same way.  We can follow scripture the best we can, but still not be everywhere Jesus is.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

28 minutes ago, OneLight said:

You do know there is more than one way to use the word "follow", right?  Here are two very basic examples:

1. "You go first and I will follow."
2. "Follow the instruction given to you."

It's not that hard to understand.  When the 144,000 are said to follow Jesus everywhere He goes, it is used as in example 1.   When we are to follow what is written, it is used in example 2.  The two are not used the same way.  We can follow scripture the best we can, but still not be everywhere Jesus is.

 

They follow the Lamb(which is the word of God) everywhere he goes. 

Jesus spent 3.5 years preaching the gospel in Israel. He was rejected, persecuted, and put to death. 

The 144000 follow in his footsteps and do what he says. They are those who are redeemed. They are also who Jesus is talking to in luke 21:28 when he tells them their redemption draws near. 

Luke 21:28

When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
 

The fact they they are the redeemed proves Jesus is talking directly to them when he said "your redemption is drawing near". 

 

[OneLight]

5 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

They follow the Lamb(which is the word of God) everywhere he goes. 

Jesus spent 3.5 years preaching the gospel in Israel. He was rejected, persecuted, and put to death. 

The 144000 follow in his footsteps and do what he says. They are those who are redeemed. They are also who Jesus is talking to in luke 21:28 when he tells them their redemption draws near. 

Luke 21:28

When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
 

The fact they they are the redeemed proves Jesus is talking directly to them when he said "your redemption is drawing near". 

 

You keep misusing scripture.  Yes, Jesus is the Word of God, but He is also a living Entity.  As a living Entity, He will move from place to place physically as in Revelation 14, as it tells us:

These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes.

It does not say "these are the ones who follow the Lamb whatever He says" but "wherever He goes".

 

[Shilohsfoal]

10 minutes ago, OneLight said:

You keep misusing scripture.  Yes, Jesus is the Word of God, but He is also a living Entity.  As a living Entity, He will move from place to place physically as in Revelation 14, as it tells us:

These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes.

It does not say "these are the ones who follow the Lamb whatever He says" but "wherever He goes".

 

Jesus Is sitting at the right hand of God. 

Your saying they too ascend into heaven and sit at the right hand of God where Jesus is? 

You just said they physically have to be where he is, didn't you? 

[OneLight]

Just now, Shilohsfoal said:

Jesus Is sitting at the right hand of God. 

Your saying they too ascend into heaven and sit at the right hand of God where Jesus is? 

You just said they physically have to be where he is, didn't you? 

They follow Him wherever He goes, and it is scripture that says it, not me.

[Shilohsfoal]

Just now, OneLight said:

They follow Him wherever He goes, and it is scripture that says it, not me.

You said you follow Jesus. Are you sitting at the right hand of God where Jesus is now? 

Or was you saying you follow his instructions? 

[OneLight]

5 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You said you follow Jesus. Are you sitting at the right hand of God where Jesus is now? 

Or was you saying you follow his instructions? 

For me, I follow His leading, obeying His words, not follow Him wherever He goes as I am still in this life and am not yet with Him in the next life.  I am also not one of the 144,000 virgin Jewish men what are sealed with the name of God on my forehead.