Did the apostles become incapable of sin after being filled with Holy Spirit?

[enoob57]

10 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Call it what you want but the bible is clear that faith with out works is not real faith and faith without works can not save you.  Messiah said we are to strive (work fervently) to enter his kingdom because many [majority] will seek to enter and will not be able.

What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? ... Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. - Jas 2:14, 24

Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them, "Strive [work fervently] to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. "When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open for us,' and He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know you, where you are from,' "then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.' "But He will say, 'I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.' - Luk 13:23-27 NKJV

 

This is common reasoning with James... It must be balanced with Paul's writings!
Titus 3:5 (KJV)

[5] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Understanding that all of this world and the knowledge generated by it is not being kept into eternity as testified by Scripture

This heaven and earth will be burnt up

2 Peter 3:10-11 (KJV)

[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

[11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

 

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Knowledge will cease:  1 Cor 13:8; Rev 21:1-5; Isa 65:17

Some contend that the earth will be renovated but according to God's Word 'all things will be made new' ...

God is going to make all things new (cf. Isa 42:9; 48:6; 66:22; 2 Peter 3:13)

1. new things, Isa 42:9; 48:6

2. new song, Isa 42:10 (cf. Rev 5:9; 14:3)

3. something new, Isa 43:19 (cf. Rev 3:12)

4. new name, Isa 62:2 (cf. Isa 56:5)

5. new heavens and a new earth, Isa 65:17; 66:22 (cf. 2 Peter 3:13)

The "new" day (cf. Rev 21:5) was, in reality, the day that God always wanted for humans, but the Fall in Gen 3 caused a terrible disruption! It is surely possible that the Bible's imagery of heaven is a restored Garden of Eden (cf. Rev 21:2).

Realizing all this as truth... what is wrong with the reasoning that by manipulating that which will be destroyed and forgotten can bring about eternal substance? As this can be clearly seen as that which ends does not have eternal qualities...

[Space_Karen]

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²² And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. 

Genesis 3:22

 

If Lucifer didn't become incapable of evil by being the most powerful angel.

Could mortal man become incapable of evil through having the holy spirit.

People search for an exit strategy to avoid the struggle.

But the struggle is what people need to bring their best out of them.

[farouk]

On 11/8/2022 at 5:17 PM, Marathoner said:

As for myself, I let the teaching of the apostle answer this question.

This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us. (1 John 1:5-10 NASB)

Remember that following the outpouring of the Spirit on the day of Pentecost when the Lord sent Himself to us all, Peter was in error; not once, but more than once. Error is sin, so let no one deceive you nor anyone else in this regard. Men and women repent of their words and deeds for we are not God who is perfect. 

We may find ourselves in error and when we do, we heed the Lord who is our Teacher and Counselor. If we were perfect ourselves, what need would we have to be conformed to the image of the Son of God from glory to glory? Why would we need the Lord to teach us? There's an error going around which preaches that walking uprightly means we never stumble nor commit error, but this isn't true. This error of antiquity insists that the Spirit of God doesn't dwell with us because we messed up. 

That's not what the apostle of Jesus Christ teaches according to the scripture above. When we walk in the Light of the world (our Lord Jesus Christ), we are always accountable to Him. The Lord corrects us if we stray, and we cling to Him. That's the truth of the matter in my estimation.  

We are reckon just by faith in Christ (Romans 5.1); but we have still indwelling sin; I don't believe in so called sinless perfection supposedly meaning we cannot sin......

[Not of the World]

In other words, they were filled with the Holy Spirit and could speak other languages and heal the sick and cast out demons but they had not yet been made perfect and could and, possibly, did sin, correct?  

Apparently, we won't be incapable of committing sin until we go to Heaven and are "fixed" by Jesus, correct?  

[Omegaman 3.0]

39 minutes ago, Not of the World said:

Apparently, we won't be incapable of committing sin until we go to Heaven and are "fixed" by Jesus, correct?  

That would be my understanding! We were sanctified (set apart for God's purposes), we are being sanctified, and we will be sanctified. Same goes for salvation itself. Sort of a settled deal with a not yet aspect. The apostles were filled with the Spirit, but they were not the last to be so.

I think the thing is, that we think in terms of time, and forget that God exists outside of time. Time is part of the creation. Being that God inhabits eternity (which is not merely a lot of time) He can sort of look down on things, and see things past present and future to us, much like a person in a helicopter can look down at a car on the highway, and see where the car is, where it is going, and what is ahead, though most of that is not visible to the driver.

With this in mind, it is easier to grasp how these things have extended temporal aspects from our point of view. After all,  He is Yahweh, the one who was, and is, and is to come, the I AM!

[Not of the World]

2 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

...much like a person in a helicopter can look down at a car on the highway, and see where the car is...

Great analogy!  

[Not of the World]

2 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

That would be my understanding!

Because Jesus was the only perfect human to ever exist in this world, whether it be in the past or in the future, right?  

[Omegaman 3.0]

57 minutes ago, Not of the World said:

Because Jesus was the only perfect human to ever exist in this world, whether it be in the past or in the future, right?  

I am not quite sure what you are asking there. To be without spot or blemish, to be a perfect sacrifice, one would have to be perfect, yes. However, I don't thank that was enough in an of itself to have the power it did. A man's sacrifice might be a trade for another man. Jesus sacrifice had to be really, really, really great. It had to be sufficient to cover the sins of the world (even is it did not procure salvation for all, the potential was there). I am opining, BTW, I cannot prove this from scripture, just my thoughts.

As I see it, it is not just the volume of sins that are the problem, but the magnitude of the sins. If I mistreat an animal, that is a bad thing. If I mistreat a human, that is a worse thing, a bigger sin, so to speak. If I mistreat the God of the universe, the author of all life, that puts sin into a whole other category. So to be a sacrifice of sufficient worth to cover is all, it would have to be God who shed His blood, not just a good human!

[Not of the World]

Sorry for my poor conveyance of thought.  What I was trying to say was that, even after being filled with the Holy Spirit, no person ever became "perfect" (without sin) in this world and that Jesus was and is the only human to be perfect. 

Correct?

[Omegaman 3.0]

4 minutes ago, Not of the World said:

Sorry for my poor conveyance of thought.  What I was trying to say was that, even after being filled with the Holy Spirit, no person ever became "perfect" (without sin) in this world and that Jesus was and is the only human to be perfect. 

Correct?

Yep! Being filled with, or even indwelled by the Holy Spirit, changes our nature. We are still sinners, but no longer slaves to sin. We have a new nature which desires to please God, and we have a helper, the Holy Spirit, which helps us to remember who we are in Him, and to learn and understand His will in our lives. Sometimes we still give in to that sinful nature, the flesh, but, at least in theory, one any given occasion, we could probably say know. I learned and memorized 1 Cor 10:13 early in my walk, and it has often helped me to resist.

No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.