Are you saved but believe you would have been damned had you died before you were saved?

[kwikphilly]

1 hour ago, Not of the World said:

I don't share that view but I appreciate your response.   

Likewise- my pleasure👍

In His Love,Kwik

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

Everyone would go to Hell if they died before they were saved.  Even the so called elect aren't born saved.  So yes, people who die before they are saved go to Hell. 

Strange message. 

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Strange message. 

How so? Do you believe people can go to Heaven before they are saved?

[Selah7]

3 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

Everyone would go to Hell if they died before they were saved.  Even the so called elect aren't born saved.  So yes, people who die before they are saved go to Hell. 

Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations."

- Jeremiah 1:4-5 (NKJV)

selah

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

1 minute ago, Selah7 said:

Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations."

- Jeremiah 1:4-5 (NKJV)

selah

So is it your belief based on that scripture that people are actually born saved? When I read that verse,  it looks to me like God was saying what his destiny was.  Sanctification doesn't only mean salvation.  It can simply be " set apart " as all the prophets were. 

[Your closest friendnt]

25 minutes ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

How so? Do you believe people can go to Heaven before they are saved?

The message is that no one goes to Hell because he dies without faith in Jesus, if he was not given the chance to hear the Gospel and decide to believe or not to believe and only if he dies in the denial that Jesus has died for the forgiveness of our sins...which means that he died in his sins.

To go to Hell someone has to die with the denial that Jesus died for the forgiveness of our sins...

That it is not possible for people who have not heard the Gospel of Jesus, because it is not possible to either believe in him or to denied to believe in him.  

No one goes to Hell is he dies without faith in Jesus if he was not given the chance to hear the Gospel and believe. 

Saying that, I did not say that they will go to Heaven...

What is said, it is that they are not ready to be judged according to their faith or their denial in Jesus...they would have to wait till that can be made possible. Till they are in a position for that to be possible. 

 

Edited November 13, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[Selah7]

35 minutes ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

So is it your belief based on that scripture that people are actually born saved? When I read that verse,  it looks to me like God was saying what his destiny was.  Sanctification doesn't only mean salvation.  It can simply be " set apart " as all the prophets were. 

Greetings @TrueFollowerOfChrist   Yes, I believe that the Elect are chosen and set apart:

KJV Dictionary Definition: elect

ELECT', v.t. L. electus, from eligo; e or ex and lego; Gr. to choose.

1. Properly, to pick out; to select from among two or more, that which is preferred. Hence,

2. To select or take for an office or employment; to choose from among a number; to select or manifest preference by vote or designation; as, to elect a representative by ballot or viva voce; to elect a president or governor.

3. In theology, to designate, choose or select as an object of mercy or favor.

4. To choose; to prefer; to determine in favor of.

ELECT', a. Chosen, taken by preference from among two or more. Hence,

1. In theology, chosen as the object of mercy; chosen, selected or designated to eternal life; predestinated in the divine counsels.

2. Chosen, but no inaugurated, consecrated or invested with office; as bishop elect; emperor elect; governor or mayor elect. But in the scriptures, and in theology, this word is generally used as a noun.

ELECT', n. One chosen or set apart; applied to Christ.

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth. Is. 42.

1. Chosen or designated by God to salvation; predestinated to glory as the end, and to sanctification as the means; usually with a plural signification, the elect.

Shall not God avenge his own elect? Luke 18.

If it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matt.24.

He shall send his angels--and they shall gather his elect from the four winds. Matt.24.

2. Chosen; selected; set apart as a peculiar church and people; applied to the Israelites. Is.45.

selah

Edited November 13, 2022 by Selah7

[Your closest friendnt]

5 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

Greetings, Yes, @TrueFollowerOfChrist   I believe that the Elect are set apart:

KJV Dictionary Definition: elect

elect

ELECT', v.t. L. electus, from eligo; e or ex and lego; Gr. to choose.

1. Properly, to pick out; to select from among two or more, that which is preferred. Hence,

2. To select or take for an office or employment; to choose from among a number; to select or manifest preference by vote or designation; as, to elect a representative by ballot or viva voce; to elect a president or governor.

3. In theology, to designate, choose or select as an object of mercy or favor.

4. To choose; to prefer; to determine in favor of.

ELECT', a. Chosen, taken by preference from among two or more. Hence,

1. In theology, chosen as the object of mercy; chosen, selected or designated to eternal life; predestinated in the divine counsels.

2. Chosen, but no inaugurated, consecrated or invested with office; as bishop elect; emperor elect; governor or mayor elect. But in the scriptures, and in theology, this word is generally used as a noun.

ELECT', n. One chosen or set apart; applied to Christ.

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth. Is. 42.

1. Chosen or designated by God to salvation; predestinated to glory as the end, and to sanctification as the means; usually with a plural signification, the elect.

Shall not God avenge his own elect? Luke 18.

If it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matt.24.

He shall send his angels--and they shall gather his elect from the four winds. Matt.24.

2. Chosen; selected; set apart as a peculiar church and people; applied to the Israelites. Is.45.

selah

The elect in the beginning of the Gospel after the Cross are those who can have their sins forgiveness in Jesus, or by the blood of Jesus.

That it was said to Judge those of the Jews who refused to believe in Jesus for the forgiveness of their sins.  

Or to warn the  believers not to go back to the Law and seek forgiveness of their sins in the Atonements in the Law.

Then the infamous saying that it was predetermined from the beginning of the world or before the foundation of the world that the Heavenly Father will have children only Justified and sanctified in the blood of Jesus Christ...

A simple reading it says that the Heavenly Father will have children in Heaven only justified and sanctified by the blood of Jesus..having their sins forgiven in the sacrifice of Jesus. 

[Selah7]

For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.

- Romans 8:29-33 (NKJV)

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

So is it your belief based on that scripture that people are actually born saved? 

Everyone has a choice if they want to follow God's plan for them and their life. This is a problem with abortion. Babies and children before the age of consent go to Heaven. This means if the parents killed their own child, they are going to need to be reconciled with them in Heaven.  

Psalm 139:16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

I had a dream about my daughter in Heaven. One of her angels was reading the book of her life, so the angel could help her to become the person God wants her to be. 

All of our gifts, talents and abilities are given to us at or before conception. Some say all was determined from the beginning, from the foundation of the world.