The souls under the altar (Rev. 6:9-11); are they killed before or during the tribulation period?

[The Light]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The Two Witnesses Will Dominate The Entire Tribulation, Something Many Disregard As Non-Existent

Try Reading Exodus And The Plagues Upon Pharaoh And Egypt, It's Going To Be A Complete Replay

God's Divine Protection, "Open Your Ears"

(Revelation) 13:9-10KJV
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

God's Divine Protection During The Final Hour Of Earth's Temptation, Just Like The Passover In Egypt, "Open Your Ears"

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

 

Those that enter the chambers when the wrath of God is on the earth are those in the nation of Israel that have fled to a place of protection.

The Church is in heaven BEFORE THE SEALS ARE OPENED.

The seed of the woman, Israel, the 12 tribes across the earth are in heaven BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD BEGINS.

[truth7t7]

12 minutes ago, The Light said:

Those that enter the chambers when the wrath of God is on the earth are those in the nation of Israel that have fled to a place of protection.

The Church is in heaven BEFORE THE SEALS ARE OPENED.

The seed of the woman, Israel, the 12 tribes across the earth are in heaven BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD BEGINS.

False Claim

The Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation and second coming of Jesus in the heavens, you have been shown this "Several Times" and you disregard the biblical truth before your eyes, your pre-wrath teaching is "Laughable"

"Look Up, Your Redemption Draweth Nigh"

Luke 21:25-28KJV

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Edited March 23, 2023 by truth7t7

[The Light]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

 

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

 

The Great Tribulation is not upon the wicked of the world. The Great Tribulation is upon the people of Daniel. You need to understand the basics first.

The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened. The seals are the final week, and the final week is about the people of Daniel.

When the wicked are tormented for 5 months, that is not the great tribulation, that is the wrath of God. The tribulation is over at the 6th seal. The wrath of God begins at the 7th seal.

Bottom line.......The great tribulation is upon the people Daniel and the wrath of God is upon the wicked of the world. Two completely different events.

[truth7t7]

42 minutes ago, The Light said:

The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened. The seals are the final week, and the final week is about the people of Daniel.

When the wicked are tormented for 5 months, that is not the great tribulation, that is the wrath of God. The tribulation is over at the 6th seal. The wrath of God begins at the 7th seal.

Bottom line.......The great tribulation is upon the people Daniel and the wrath of God is upon the wicked of the world. Two completely different events.

Once Again, False Claim

The Church will be present on earth as verse 17 below shows the Christian present to witness the great tribulation and second coming of Jesus in the heavens, you have been shown this "Several Times" and you disregard the biblical truth before your eyes, your pre-wrath teaching is "Laughable"

"Look Up, Your Redemption Draweth Nigh"

(The Christian Church, Verse 17)

Luke 21:17 & 25-28KJV

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

 

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Edited March 23, 2023 by truth7t7

[DeighAnn]

7 hours ago, The Light said:

You are certainly free to lack understanding and hang around here when the bridegroom comes for the bride. If you choose to be amongst the foolish virgins without oil in your lamp, so be it. I'm taking this path and praying that I am worhty to escape ALL THESE THINGS that will come to pass and STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN.

Luke 21

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

STILL?  NOT ONE SOLID FOUNDATION VERSE upon which to stand???   

The best to be put forth is worthy to escape Tribulation? 

How is it, worthy to escape the DECEPTION coming upon the whole world doesn't come to mind?  Never mind.  

Sheep to the slaughter.  Do you REALLY BELIEVE that verse WOULD BE SAYING

                                 Worthy to escape being a sheep? 


 We are promised all the things that PRE TRIB says it will save you from.  NO WONDER no one can find a foundation verse. 

Do I really come across as having a LACK UNDERSTANDING HERE? News flash, lacking ACCEPTANCE is not lacking understand.  I understand WAY MORE than I ever wanted to.  

We have to escape being TAKEN BY THE ENEMY, an enemy who is sooo good that the days had to be shortened.  HE IS that good that even GODS elect would be deceived.  

Doesn't seem to matter that WE are told TO OVERCOME the DECEPTION coming upon the world.  How are we found to be WORTHY?  By standing, enduring to the end, NOT taking the Mark, picking up our cross and following Him and BEING WILLING TO LOSE OUR LIVES RATHER than seeking to save them. 

When every single verse you use to PROVE this pre trib DOCTRINE can go TWO ways, you had to figure at one point SOMEONE WOULD start pointing out the the other side and people would figure out THEY BOTH COULDN'T BE true.   

i WILL ESCAPE all those things by PUTTING ON THE GOSPEL ARMOR AND STANDING.  i WILL ESCAPE ALL THOSE THINGS BY HAVING THE EXTRA OIL TO KEEP MY LAMP LIT when the sun puts on SACKCLOTH.  i WILL ESCAPE ALL THOSE THINGS BY NOT BEING DECEIVED and TAKEN BY THE ENEMY.  



31So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

Who sees these things come to pass?  Surprise!!!  it's us.  You and I, CHRISTIANS, THOSE READING THE WORDS, those being given the warnings.  Those to whom it is actually written for.  

Who does PRE TRIB DOCTRINE SAYS THIS IS written to?  Those NOT reading the book.   
HOW CRAZY IS THAT?  

The days of just 'brushing off' the questions of 'where it is written' are quickly coming to an end.  The days of not providing Scripture and NOT BEING CALLED OUT for it are ALREADY over. BECAUSE

as for letting someone new and unsuspecting get caught up in it with out hearing both sides is not going to happen if I can help it. 



REMEMBER all the VIRGINS are all here SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER WHEN THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS REQUIRED FOR BUYING AND SELLING and the foolish virgins go do so, ergo no pre trib rapt.  



BUT THEN, WHAT WAS really BUGGING ME HIT, 

it calls into question the truth of Gods Words and makes void so much of our foundation,

JUST LIKE SATAN DID and still seeks to do.  

Yea, hath God said, WHEN GOD DIDN'T SAY.  

AND PRE TRIBS ADMIT IT ISN'T WRITTEN anywhere, it has to be 'found'. (wouldn't believe how long it took to get that admission) but here is something written about putting forth things that God doesn't say

3Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!

4O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.

5Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.

6They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.

7Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?

8Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.

9And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

BUT feel free to believe????...I AM NEVER free to believe because the PRE TRIBS won't EVER let a discussion be had without jumping in to direct it back to pre trib.  They won't let any conversation get any traction because they know as soon as it does the truth will be discovered.  BAD NEWS not waiting for traction anymore. 

So I rebuke this teaching and I pray this will hold true here

"One thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one; at the rebuke of five shall ye flee: till ye be left as a beacon upon the top of a mountain, and as an ensign on an hill." Isaiah 30:17 KJV
 

[The Light]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

STILL?  NOT ONE SOLID FOUNDATION VERSE upon which to stand???   

 

There are plenty of verses to stand on but you are without eyes to see. You expect the Lord to pinpoint His coming for His Church. Gee you can't find it with out a shadow doubt. What? Do you not believe the Word?

Matthew 24

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

[The Light]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

31So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

Who sees these things come to pass?  Surprise!!!  it's us.  You and I, CHRISTIANS, THOSE READING THE WORDS, those being given the warnings.  Those to whom it is actually written for.  

Who does PRE TRIB DOCTRINE SAYS THIS IS written to?  Those NOT reading the book.   
HOW CRAZY IS THAT?  

 

The Christians are already in heaven before the seals are opened, but you are unable to see that. 

When the fullness of the Gentiles comes in THEN God will turn His attention to His Chosen. The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel and their blindness cannot be removed until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

The fact that you don't understand this is no great wonder. You look for the Church that is mentioned 19 times in the 1st three chapters and not mentioned again until the end of Revelation and it never dawns on you as to why. 

[The Light]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

 

BUT feel free to believe????...I AM NEVER free to believe because the PRE TRIBS won't EVER let a discussion be had without jumping in to direct it back to pre trib.  They won't let any conversation get any traction because they know as soon as it does the truth will be discovered.  BAD NEWS not waiting for traction anymore. 

So I rebuke this teaching and I pray this will hold true here

"One thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one; at the rebuke of five shall ye flee: till ye be left as a beacon upon the top of a mountain, and as an ensign on an hill." Isaiah 30:17 KJV
 

Rebuking God's plan for the Church? You probably need a little lamp oil so you can see.

[DeighAnn]

25 minutes ago, The Light said:

There are plenty of verses to stand on but you are without eyes to see. You expect the Lord to pinpoint His coming for His Church. Gee you can't find it with out a shadow doubt. What? Do you not believe the Word?

Matthew 24

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

AGAIN, we have to keep SATAN from breaking into our house. Christ may come like a thief in the night TO THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW

but THE THIEF SPOKEN OF HERE JESUS HIMSELF ADDRESSED

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10 KJV

BUT EVEN THIS DOESN'T in the SLIGHTEST WAY SUGGEST there is going to be a PRE 2ND ADVENT, PRE DAY OF WRATH, PRE DAY OF THE LORD

COMING OF THE LORD.  AND I don't SEE IT BECAUSE IT ISN'T THERE.  




Where is the FOUNDATION? 

It isn't in 'every man dies and then judgment'
 (EXCEPT for the VERY last day OF THE ENTIRE AGE when heaven IS BECOMING THE 'SEEN' WORLD IN WHICH WE WILL LIVE therefore ALL WHO ARE ALIVE HAVE TO BE CHANGED because there will be no longer any flesh and blood bodies)


It isn't in don't seek to save your life OR you will lose it  but pre trib does

It isn't in put on the gospel armor to withstand the fiery darts of Satan

It isn't in some of you will be given up to the devil for 10 day trial

It isn't in WHEN YE SHALL SEE THE ABOMINIATION

It isn't in THE DAY WE ARE GATHERED ISN'T UNTIL AFTER THE WORKINGS OF Satan

It isn't in pick up your cross and follow me to be WORTHY of the kingdom

It isn't in Don't take the mark of the beast

It isn't in ENDURE TO THE END TO RECEIVE

It isn't in ONE BODY

I could go on and on and on in all the PLACES IT ISN'T FOUND and I probably should because

EVERYONE of them will show how PRE TRIB stands in the face of LIKE EVERYTHING written we are told to be doing


yet I am supposed TO DROP EVERYTHING I can CLEARLY POINT TO AND SAY IT IS WRITTEN do this

IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING THAT

"I should be able to but am refusing to see"

THAT ISN'T WRITTEN. 

 Let's see, if it isn't written, then WHO DID IT COME FROM? 




AND here is the REALLY SCARY PART FOR YOU, 

I don't think He is coming pre trib,

while you do

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

So your THINKING HE COMES PRE TRIB negates you from being able to be raptured.  

IN SUCH AN HOUR, which 'hour' is pre trib.  


Which I don't know but you know what hour you don't expect?  WHEN YOU DIE.  

[DeighAnn]

42 minutes ago, The Light said:

The Christians are already in heaven before the seals are opened, but you are unable to see that. 

THE LAMB HIMSELF BARELY arrives in heaven

and the FIRST THING is He is handed the book.

He is in the MIDST, not even seated at the right hand yet

AND I AM SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE the PRE TRIB RAP CHURCH IS THERE?    

YOU ARE 1000% CORRECT, I AM UNABLE TO SEE THAT 

THANK YOU GOD

I don't suppose GOD thought to give us a verse for a WITNESS?  2 would be even better. 





ALL YOU SEE IS PRE TRIB and it is at the cost of all truth.