Did God restore Israel in 1948?

[JasperWalls11]

I believe that modern Israel is a direct fulfillment of biblical prophecy.  God prophesied that Israel would be restored to the land in a state of unbelief.  They will be restored spiritually at a future time, but for now we are seeing the process of Israel's restoration happening before our eyes.  Israel isn't perfect, but praise God, I am not perfect either. He hasn't given up on me.  God still has a plan for Israel according to the Bible.   

[dad2]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Not really.The land pro.ised to Abraham seed stretches from the Euphrates to the Nile.That about somes up the beast and the prostitute that sits on it 

You go ahead and look all over he world.In the mean time Benjamin netanyahu will continue to develope his cashless society and put microchips in all the people he believes is God's chosen people.

Maybe someday you will wake up and smell the smoke coming from Jerusalem.

Your idea that the final king rules only Israel is noted. Not really a serious proposition biblically.

Edited May 28, 2023 by dad2

[dad2]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

If you want to believe all the people who reject Christ get saved ,go ahead.

There are Israelis dying everyday and will continue to die right up to the day Christ comes and saves only those who he has redeemed.

Millions of others who he does not redeem will die just as they are today.

They don't get saved by rejecting but by believing in Him as they will finally do in the end.

[dad2]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Because the MIDPOINT of 2520 days (7 years) is 1260 days  and 1260 days ads up to 3.5 years. 

Precisely why there are 1260 days from the abomination till Jesus comes back. Notice the word FROM.

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Let me put this forth, something I usually do but forgot to do while explaining why the 1290 is very vague in Dan. 12. So, John speaks openly about a coming False Prophet in the book of Revelation, but if the 1290 is the coming False Prophet (it is), then why didn't Daniel just say so instead of giving us the vague number 1290? 

Who said it is? No one. Yes various characters come in the end. No, we do not need to pretend one of them happens to have to show up 1290 days before Jesus returns. That is fiction.

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It is set up in the MIDST, which means approximately.

 

No it is a precise day count till the end from the mid point. You don't get to ignore that to slip some arrival date of someone you want to insert in there.

[dad2]

1 hour ago, JasperWalls11 said:

I believe that modern Israel is a direct fulfillment of biblical prophecy.  God prophesied that Israel would be restored to the land in a state of unbelief.

Where is that verse?

[JasperWalls11]

8 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Where is that verse?

It's not a single verse, but a single passage.  I am talking about Ezekiel 36: 16-24.  It shows Israel returning to the Land prior to verse 25 where they are spiritually restored. In that chapter the people are restored to the land, albeit in unbelief and then starting in v. 25 they are restored spiritually, after they return to the Land. 

Edited to add:  I personally believe that the dry bones prophecy of Ezek. 37 is a vision that basically reinforces the prophecy of Ezek. 16. 

Edited May 28, 2023 by JasperWalls11

[dad2]

1 hour ago, JasperWalls11 said:

It's not a single verse, but a single passage.  I am talking about Ezekiel 36: 16-24.  It shows Israel returning to the Land prior to verse 25 where they are spiritually restored. In that chapter the people are restored to the land, albeit in unbelief and then starting in v. 25 they are restored spiritually, after they return to the Land. 

Edited to add:  I personally believe that the dry bones prophecy of Ezek. 37 is a vision that basically reinforces the prophecy of Ezek. 16. 

No the dry bones speak of a time after salvation when they are alive.

As for Eze 36 let's look at that

Ezekiel 36:7

 

Therefore thus saith the Lord God ; I have lifted up mine hand, Surely the heathen that are about you, they shall bear their shame.

 

So this speaks of a time when God moves and acts.

Ezekiel 36:11

And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am the Lord .

 

 

And when He does move, Israel will know it, very unlike today.

 

Ezekiel 36:12

Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, even my people Israel; and they shall possess thee, and thou shalt be their inheritance, and thou shalt no more henceforth bereave them of men.

 

That will be at the time they inherit that land, which is only after they are saved.

 

And being saved with new hearts they will not be up to their old tricks any more

 

Ezekiel 36:14

Therefore thou shalt devour men no more, neither bereave thy nations any more, saith the Lord God .

They are not now in such a condition.

 

So when they are saved and changed

Ezekiel 36:23

 

And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord , saith the Lord God , when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

 

That in no possible way applies to today or 1948. Many countries hate them and consider them vile. Not sanctified.

 

When God gathers them we will know it they will be saved, have changed/new hearts etc. That is not now.

 

Ezekiel 36:24

For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

Ezekiel 36:25

Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

Ezekiel 36:26

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Ezekiel 36:27

And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

 

 

When God brings them back that is what we will see. Nothing like today at all.

 

Edited May 29, 2023 by dad2

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, dad2 said:

Your idea that the final king rules only Israel is noted. Not really a serious proposition biblically.

Who said anything about one final kings?

Good grief.

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

They don't get saved by rejecting but by believing in Him as they will finally do in the end.

According to Jesus ,the unbelieving Jews get kicked out of the kingdom .

There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Edited May 29, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[JasperWalls11]

1 hour ago, dad2 said:

No the dry bones speak of a time after salvation when they are alive.

As for Eze 36 let's look at that

Ezekiel 36:7

 

Therefore thus saith the Lord God ; I have lifted up mine hand, Surely the heathen that are about you, they shall bear their shame.

 

So this speaks of a time when God moves and acts.

Ezekiel 36:11

And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am the Lord .

 

 

And when He does move, Israel will know it, very unlike today.

 

Ezekiel 36:12

Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, even my people Israel; and they shall possess thee, and thou shalt be their inheritance, and thou shalt no more henceforth bereave them of men.

 

That will be at the time they inherit that land, which is only after they are saved.

 

And being saved with new hearts they will not be up to their old tricks any more

 

Ezekiel 36:14

Therefore thou shalt devour men no more, neither bereave thy nations any more, saith the Lord God .

They are not now in such a condition.

 

So when they are saved and changed

Ezekiel 36:23

 

And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord , saith the Lord God , when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

 

That in no possible way applies to today or 1948. Many countries hate them and consider them vile. Not sanctified.

 

When God gathers them we will know it they will be saved, have changed/new hearts etc. That is not now.

 

Ezekiel 36:24

For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

Ezekiel 36:25

Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

Ezekiel 36:26

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Ezekiel 36:27

And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

 

 

When God brings them back that is what we will see. Nothing like today at all.

 

I am sorry, but I don't see it that way.  We will just have to agree to disagree on that.  I won't go on a merry-go-round with you about it.  I see it as a I see it.  God bless you, brother.