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3 hours ago, David1701 said:

Being born again, on its own, saves no-one.  I am absolutely not claiming "salvation unto faith"!

As I proved with Scripture, being born again is necessary for anyone to believe in Jesus Christ; however, you cannot be said to be saved until you have believed.

Not only have you not done as you claim... you haven't provided one verse that regeneration precedes faith! I have provided faith indeed precedes salvation...


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1 hour ago, Mr. M said:

Maybe this one? At least a start, more than one verse is required.

1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one

speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one

can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

how does this say regeneration precedes faith :noidea: 


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1 hour ago, Mr. M said:

And yet, not all receive the same honor and glory...

2 John 8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things

we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.

1 Corinthians 15:

41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon,

and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from 

another star in glory.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown

in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 

43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory.

It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 

I do not see regeneration preceding faith here either :noidea:


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Posted
40 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

I do not see regeneration preceding faith here either :noidea:

Probably because I was responding to your heaven

or hell destination comment.


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49 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

 

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50 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

how does this say regeneration precedes faith :noidea: 

Are you talking about belief, as in "whoever believes the Gospel

will be saved"? Faith is to commit to one's trust. Many believed

in Jesus, then turned away when trust became an issue.

"Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God".

Does this require the regeneration by the Spirit, to hear the Word?

Can someone confess Jesus as Lord, except by the Spirit?


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55 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Are you talking about belief, as in "whoever believes the Gospel

will be saved"? Faith is to commit to one's trust. Many believed

in Jesus, then turned away when trust became an issue.

"Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God".

Does this require the regeneration by the Spirit, to hear the Word?

Can someone confess Jesus as Lord, except by the Spirit?

I can't say it any clearer with such an important begin in calvanistic doctrine there should be a clear statement in Scripture for their claim...


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2 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

I can't say it any clearer with such an important begin in calvanistic doctrine there should be a clear statement in Scripture for their claim...

I can't speak to "calvanistic doctrine". Don't they have a subforum for that?


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17 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

I can't speak to "calvanistic doctrine". Don't they have a subforum for that?

There is a sub-forum in the Theology section. Calvinism v Arminianism. Only those with freewill choose to post there. 🥸

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5 hours ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

We are saved as soon as we have been birthed in the Spirit/ Born Again, from eternal damnation.

Only a Born Again will see the Kingdom of God....you must be born  again.a supernatural act of God and only God.

 

Our salvation and regeneration are simultaneous.  They happen at the same time.

Eph 2:5 - made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

Blue words explain or define the red words.  They are synonymous.  Can't have one without the other.  They go together.

Eph 2:8 -  For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

Blue words, also found in v.5, are equated with regeneration.

Purple words refer to the mechanism of both salvation and regeneration:  faith.

This proves that faith PRECEDES both salvation and regeneration.

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