R. Hartono Posted January 14, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) Isn't God omnipotent ? Why did He keep creating billions of sinful souls under bondage of sins ? Why cant God create these souls sinless like Adam ? If He still create those souls of birthed babies. Just asking. Edited January 14, 2023 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted January 14, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 953 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,589 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,057 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Why just asking? Why not instead just reveling in the glory that is Jesus? Not just asking. Instead encouraging to be finding and living eternally in the awesome joy. Revel in God's mercy, from everlasting to everlasting, through Jesus by His willing sacrifice, and made aware to all that have been foreknown, predestined, and given to Jesus who loses not a one! Praise God, Father Son and Holy Ghost! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted January 14, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,606 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 14, 2023 To speak to the OP: there is no such thing as "original Sin". That is an Augustinian invenstion. Sure we will all sin and past the age of accountability, who knows. The only sure thing we inherit from Adam is ORIGINAL DEATH. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Orthodoxy Posted January 14, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 134 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/22/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted January 14, 2023 An infant can be sinful and guilty without having committing actual sins personally. The soul of the newborn infant is derived from its parents, in the same way Eve’s soul was derived from Adam. Scripture informs us God breathed life into man only once and we are never told that it was repeated. Therefore, God breathed the breath of life (soul) into Adam not Eve. Eve acquires her soul from Adam. We see a similar instance in the Incarnation. Jesus derives his sinless nature from the Holy Spirit and not from Mary. Sinfulness is part of human nature. In conformity to Scripture, the place where the seat of sin resides is the soul. This is the immaterial part of man. In the Fall, Adam’s sin now resides in his soul. Adam’s sin is passed on from parent to child through propagation. That propagation includes the sinful soul. How this occurs is unknown and how the soul contracts sin is unknown. Scripture is silent on this issue. With the soul contaminated, we inherit Adam’s sin. When the sinful soul is passed on from parent to child through propagation, this explains how a infant could be sinful and guilty without having committed sins personally. . This then also relieves God from the charge of being the author of sin or responsible for its continuance. Adam and Adam’s descendants are solely responsible for the continuance of sin. Sin is therefore not an external substance or learned behavior of the environment, but the very part of the essence of what it means to be a person. The polluting effects of sin come from Adam sin, to which the soul is infected. As someone has said before, “Every person is inheriting a flawed soul, just like inheriting a genetic disease with 100% transmission rate.” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted January 14, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,132 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 14, 2023 4 hours ago, R. Hartono said: Isn't God omnipotent ? Why did He keep creating billions of sinful souls under bondage of sins ? Why cant God create these souls sinless like Adam ? If He still create those souls of birthed babies. Just asking. Because God is creating a series of entities to replace the fallen angels and he wants us to experience what happens if we follow the prideful ways of Lucifer. He's looking for entities that will not turn on him the way the fallen ones did. Can I prove that..... no not really it's just what I get out of the Bible as a whole and 75 years of life experience 45 or so in a relationship with them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Orthodoxy Posted January 14, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 134 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/22/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted January 14, 2023 The Biblical evidence we have is God DOES NOT create billions of souls. 7 hours ago, R. Hartono said: Isn't God omnipotent ? Why did He keep creating billions of sinful souls under bondage of sins God’s work in creating the universe is finished. God ceased to create on the Seventh Day “He rested from all His work which God had created and made.” The soul’s of infants are derived from their parents. The biblical idea is that God has ceased creating the universe and is now allowing the forces that He created to maintain it. Although God created these natural forces He exercises a continuous care over them. God ceased created but not governing or preserving it through the natural laws of the universe. God seems to be very consistent with how He’s ordered things. Absent a clearer verse from Scripture than we already have, God resting from creating on the seventh day is the norm. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted January 14, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 201 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,431 Content Per Day: 6.23 Reputation: 2,283 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Share Posted January 14, 2023 6 hours ago, Justin Adams said: To speak to the OP: there is no such thing as "original Sin". That is an Augustinian invenstion. Sure we will all sin and past the age of accountability, who knows. The only sure thing we inherit from Adam is ORIGINAL DEATH. Aren't we all in the first Adam, until we are transferred into the Last Adam? It is clear from the NT that we receive many positive things by being in Christ. That is, we didn't have to do anything (other than believe) and they become ours because we're in Him. Is it not the same with our sin and death heritage in Adam? Adam disobeyed and ate something, which got into him and he assimilated it. Was that not passed to all of us (just as all that is in Christ is now passed on to regenerated ones)? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted January 15, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,132 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 15, 2023 7 hours ago, Vine Abider said: Aren't we all in the first Adam, until we are transferred into the Last Adam? It is clear from the NT that we receive many positive things by being in Christ. That is, we didn't have to do anything (other than believe) and they become ours because we're in Him. Is it not the same with our sin and death heritage in Adam? Adam disobeyed and ate something, which got into him and he assimilated it. Was that not passed to all of us (just as all that is in Christ is now passed on to regenerated ones)? what was passed on to us was the subconscious knowledge of good and evil so to speak. They realized they were naked and it wasn't good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amigo42 Posted January 15, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 266 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 127 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/14/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) On 1/14/2023 at 7:20 AM, R. Hartono said: Isn't God omnipotent ? Why did He keep creating billions of sinful souls under bondage of sins ? Why cant God create these souls sinless like Adam ? If He still create those souls of birthed babies. Just asking. Well, there are other alternative hypotheses that have some support from Near Death anecdotal evidences. Some of these alternative explanations may not appear to go hand-in-hand with Christian teachings, but Christian teachings also don't negate them per se. One hypothesis that is observed time and time again from NDEs is that all souls in the Spirit realm are perfect and sinless like God, however, God designed physical worlds with free will in order to allow souls to experience things that could otherwise not be experienced in a perfect place like heaven. How does one know what true goodness if one does not know what evil is hate. How do you know what love is without knowing what what hate looks like? In heaven, there is only love and goodness and no evil can exist. However, in this world free will allows experiences and knowledge that was otherwise not be understood very well in the spirit realm. When souls leave this plane of existence they shed human conditions and feelings and return to their original state with experience under their belts. According to some, some souls that made poor choices in their human condition choose to come back to repeat experiences to hopefully learn whatever spiritual lesson that was missed. In a sense, that is sort hell. To have to come back to this planet is a type of hell. Only God knows the full truth of this. However, if it evaluated differently, it kind of makes more sense. God didn't create billions of souls under the bondage of sin. He allowed souls to come to this plane by choice to experience the opposite of heaven to truly know the difference. From a strictly common sense perspective, it doesn't make sense that God would throw people to a world where he knew they would mess up unless there was a reason. If the Bible didn't exist, how would one know right from wrong? It would be the internal guide of common sense provided the spirt of the breath of life from God. All humans have it, but not all realize God has already given the tools we need to make the right choices in this life as best as we can. Edited January 15, 2023 by Amigo42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted January 15, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 201 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,431 Content Per Day: 6.23 Reputation: 2,283 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Share Posted January 15, 2023 48 minutes ago, Amigo42 said: From a strictly common sense perspective, it doesn't make sense that God would throw people to a world where he knew they would mess up unless there was a reason. I suggest we come into this world to experience and demonstrate the magnitude of God's love in Christ. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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