If God created the souls of birthed babies, why they are under the bondage of sins ?

[Your closest friendnt]

5 minutes ago, coheir said:

I do not believe God creates sinful souls either But Isaiah 45:7 says

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

The reference to Isaiah it is interesting to bring it up..

But for a different argument than the arguments raised in the OP...thank you for the reminder. 

 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

14 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

The Bible makes it clear that people are condemned to hell on the basis of their sins and their rejection of Jesus Christ as the remedy for their sinful condition.



However, infants and young children are incapable of fully understanding either their spiritual condition or God's requirements for salvation.



Can God judge them even though they don't understand the basis of that judgment? THE BIBLE DOES INDICATE THAT CHILDREN ARE INNOCENT, for example, when describing how some of the Israelites in the Valley of Benhinnom had become corrupt so as to sacrifice their own (innocent) children:





Jer. 19:4-5, V 4, Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the BLOOD OF THE INNOCENTS;

5, They have built also the high places of Baal, TO BURN THEIR SONS WITH FIRE for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:



2 Kings 17: 17, And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.



Psalms 106:37-38, V 37, Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,

38, AND SHED INNOCENT BLOOD, EVEN THE BLOOD OF THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.



GOD SAYS CHILDREN BELONG TO HIM,



Ezek. 16:20-21, V. 20, Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,

21, THAT THOU HAST SLAIN MY CHILDREN, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them?



JESUS SAID THAT PEOPLE WHO ENTER HEAVEN ARE LIKE CHILDREN, IMPLYING THAT CHILDREN GO TO HEAVEN.



Matthew 18:2-3, V. 2, And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

3, And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, AND BECOME AS LITTLE CHILDREN, YE SHALL NOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.



Matthew 19:13-14, V. 13, Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.

14, But Jesus said, SUFFER THE LITTLE CHILDREN, and forbid them not, to come unto me: FOR OF SUCH IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

Thanks for all those scriptures. Those reference of scriptures are very important and they were towards God's people in the Old testament in regards to Abraham and to Issac and to Jacob-Israel and in all the the children of Jacob and their household...

Those references to scriptures are not including the Gentiles...the Gentiles were excluded from the context in those scriptures...

Some of the scriptures are in the heart of the matter because they are addressing the new born children of the Israelites...even the prospect of them is that they will be born unto the Lord and the prospect that they belong to the Lord from the very beginning...the people were bringing the children of the Lord in the world...

This is very important because it can justify what Paul said when he said the same thing for the children of the believers of Jesus Christ... Paul stressed the point that even when one of the parents is a believer the new born are born sanctified. 

 

[DeighAnn]

What about these verses ?

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Gen 2:1

6635. tsaba 
Strong's Concordance
tsaba: army, war, warfare
Original Word: צָבָא
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: tsaba
Phonetic Spelling: (tsaw-baw')
Definition: army, war, warfare


appointed time, army, battle, company, host, service, soldiers, waiting upon,
Or (feminine) tsbadah {tseb-aw-aw'}; from tsaba'; a mass of persons (or figuratively, things), especially reg. Organized for war (an army); by implication, a campaign, literally or figuratively (specifically, hardship, worship) -- appointed time, (+) army, (+) battle, company, host, service, soldiers, waiting upon, war(-fare).



"When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance,
when he separated the sons of Adam,
he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel."
Deuteronomy 32:8 KJV




ALL souls were already created previous to being born of man.  " Let us make man in our image".  Since we all have a different image, Jesus being the image of God and we all looking different, well just something to ponder upon



14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;  Heb 2



 

[grahampaul]

8 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

What about these verses ?

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Gen 2:1

6635. tsaba 
Strong's Concordance
tsaba: army, war, warfare
Original Word: צָבָא
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: tsaba
Phonetic Spelling: (tsaw-baw')
Definition: army, war, warfare


appointed time, army, battle, company, host, service, soldiers, waiting upon,
Or (feminine) tsbadah {tseb-aw-aw'}; from tsaba'; a mass of persons (or figuratively, things), especially reg. Organized for war (an army); by implication, a campaign, literally or figuratively (specifically, hardship, worship) -- appointed time, (+) army, (+) battle, company, host, service, soldiers, waiting upon, war(-fare).



"When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance,
when he separated the sons of Adam,
he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel."
Deuteronomy 32:8 KJV




ALL souls were already created previous to being born of man.  " Let us make man in our image".  Since we all have a different image, Jesus being the image of God and we all looking different, well just something to ponder upon



14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;  Heb 2



 

 

i find the whole op is based on a wobley brick, as in souls created.? i find the soul/breath life is passed on through the seed.not recreated.

[chesed]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The OP is referring to something he read in the scriptures and he has apply it to himself and to all mankind...

He applies that to himself and that's he sees everyone else no matter what...

He is not making any distinctions not in his post..

What he wants to say that everyone because of Adam's disobedience is born in the death of Adam...he is conceived in Sin and in Adam's Death..

According to truth in scriptures this statement is incorrect...

Oh. Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me.
— Psalm 51:5
 

 

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Now I made a statement and I need to follow it up with my argument that gives rise to my statement...I need to support what I believe it is the truth in this matter and so scriptures reference. 

Ok.

[Your closest friendnt]

29 minutes ago, grahampaul said:

 

i find the whole op is based on a wobley brick, as in souls created.? i find the soul/breath life is passed on through the seed.not recreated.

The seed of Man...the sperm is alive...and the one "not the fastest one " who get to fertilize the egg ...makes his home there and begins to grow...

What God has to do with that...and he has said many times that he has nothing to do with that with some exceptions...in the creation of the seed...perhaps where he said he intervene...not in every man....that's he created Nerod...

[chesed]

1 hour ago, coheir said:

I do not believe God creates sinful souls either But Isaiah 45:7 says

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

The word for evil in the Hebrew is'calamity'.

[grahampaul]

29 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The seed of Man...the sperm is alive...and the one "not the fastest one " who get to fertilize the egg ...makes his home there and begins to grow...

What God has to do with that...and he has said many times that he has nothing to do with that with some exceptions...in the creation of the seed...perhaps where he said he intervene...not in every man....that's he created Nerod...

in school i was taught it was a race,and that everyone had  won a race.

[Your closest friendnt]

27 minutes ago, chesed said:

The word for evil in the Hebrew is'calamity'.

Face the facts and be strong in your mind and it is not necessary to teach God ...anything...he knew the difference between one word and the other...and he chooses to post evil because by that time the people knew the meaning...

You do not need to correct God and he did not asked you to do what the Pharisees were doing...creeping in substitute words in the OS to make them project their wants..

No need to teach God what is the proper word or that he used the wrong word. 

I am reminded of Peter who rebuke Jesus and he try to tell him what to say and what not to say about his own self...

 

[Your closest friendnt]

1 minute ago, grahampaul said:

in school i was taught it was a race,and that everyone had  won a race.

I was taught the same thing...but that will indicate that the......would need to line up just when we line up for a raise and also have a fair star...as one ..two ..go..well that is not so...there is no line up and there is no fair start....there is only one rule the one who gets there first and it's not supposed to be disappointed it must cling to a fertile egg..if it finds one..it is not that all the time there is one waiting.