Mixing New Age With Christianity

[Roymond]

On 1/25/2023 at 2:14 PM, TheBlade said:

Things like "reincarnation, astrology, psychics and the presence of spiritual energy in physical objects like mountains or trees." Not of God

"The presence of spiritual energy in ... mountains or trees."

Actually there is -- it's just not any generic spiritual energy we can just tap into the way New Age stuff says:  it's the energy of God upholding the existence of every particle of those things continuously.  It's also the energy of what I'll call their "shaping", something that goes to Paul's use of the word "firstborn" to describe Jesus:  to philosophers, the term we translate "firstborn" had a specific meaning that can best be rendered as "opener of the Way" -- so when Paul says that Jesus is the Firstborn he's saying that Jesus made it possible for there to even be a Creation.  But it goes beyond that:  the "opener of the way" left its/his "form" on everything that comes through that way, which tells us that everything in Creation was shaped by Jesus and thus everything in Creation speaks about Him!

That's really why Paul can say "they are without excuse", because even as subdued as the voices of created things are due to the Fall, they still "sing out His name" because every single one was shaped by coming through the "Jesus-shaped door" into existence.

Just one lesson we can learn from that is that it is no accident that trees lose their leaves and seem dead for several months before they spring into new life; of course they do, because that's what Jesus did!  And it's no  accident that seeds "fall into the ground and die" but then yield a harvest; of course they do, because that's what Jesus did!  All those things can be used to talk about Jesus, about the Kingdom of Heaven, not because creative minds can see such connections but because THE Creative Mind left His "shape" on them by coming into the world so that they can come into the world.

So feeling energized by nature is quite appropriate, and is even more powerful when we realize that the beauty we see in nature is just the Beauty of the One Who shaped nature -- and we don't even have to understand how every little thing speaks of Him; like children who are in awe of 'magic' tricks without knowing how they're done, we can be in awe of the fact that in its own way everything we will ever encounter in this life speaks of the Incarnate One.

 

[1to3]

37 minutes ago, Roymond said:

" we can be in awe of the fact that in its own way everything we will ever encounter in this life speaks of the Incarnate One.

 

We are called to worship God and not its creation as the New Agers are  trying to get everyone onboard to bow down to the worship of mother earth and of what they believe is the true god -lucifer-= a created being instead of God Eternal.

Lucifers minions are now trying to -genetically- modify all of Gods creation in order to call everything that was originally created by God its own  and to proceed and destroy it. John 10:10 satan only come to steal kill, destroy.

Edited January 29, 2023 by 1to3

[1to3]

1 hour ago, Roymond said:

I had a philosophy professor who said New Age stuff is all that "old age religion", just with honey and spices added and simmered to get the bitterness out.  No more blood sacrifices or anything else, just what's "nice" and "affirming".

Kind of like a used car salesman...  

Actually the deeper you get into the New Age=old age occult satan worship, you open the door that allows evil a welcome mat to come round you and in you and from there the darker becomes more revealed and integrated into you separating you more and more from God and His Truth and plan of Mercy and Grace through His only begotten Son Christ Jesus.

1John ch1

[existential mabel]

17 hours ago, Roymond said:

You said Roman Catholic then called "the vicar" "her".

"New age stole"... to use a very old bit of slang, "Gag me!"  The one time I was in a church where there was a female preacher and she wore new-agey stoles it was obvious (on Easter morning, no less!) that she didn't believe Jesus actually rose from the dead.....

yes the vicar is a 'her' she was busy mixing new age and Catholic teachings into her service. the stole was the very last straw! and at a time when i was starting to 'wake up' i could now see it.

[Amigo42]

19 hours ago, Starise said:

Well I don't believe we can sit on the fence with regard to this. If we hold to the bible, then New Age ideas are not condoned.

Well, the only thing is that some "New Age" ideas aren't clearly defined.  During the time of Jesus, the pharisees may have considered in New Age to expect that they should love their enemies and treat others as they want to be treated.  It was acceptable at that time to look down upon the "dogs" or pagans, gentiles, and Samaritans.  So that was kind of radical at that time.

[Starise]

4 hours ago, Amigo42 said:

Well, the only thing is that some "New Age" ideas aren't clearly defined.  During the time of Jesus, the pharisees may have considered in New Age to expect that they should love their enemies and treat others as they want to be treated.  It was acceptable at that time to look down upon the "dogs" or pagans, gentiles, and Samaritans.  So that was kind of radical at that time.

I would agree that not everyone thinks of the same things when the term New Age is mentioned. I would say that 'most' associate it with the 3rd eye, crystals, vibrations, becoming one with nature or the ether, light beings that some communicate with. Drug use is sometimes a part of it.

And it really isn't 'new' as someone else mentioned. It's all old pagan religion concepts wrapped in a new name. Some call it occult lite, but I think the reality of it is it has the very real potential to become very deep. In fact those who have been into it deep have been in contact with demons. I believe most of the process in New Age practice is designed to have the individual open up to demons, both influence and possession. If we take a person zoned out on this they might seem happy in a very odd way, like someone under the influence of something. I have been in contact with a few of them, one who claimed aliens were coming to him and giving him messages.

Everything about all of this should seem 'off' to a believer. I believe this is the spirit of the apostate church and is the poor subsitute for God's Spirit. Others in this thread have mentioned they clearly seen these things in some of the churches. These people are not preaching Jesus Christ, they are preaching feel good using other sources of power. Lower sources. The message is, come to us, we don't think your sin is really sin. God loves us all. Jesus was a wonderful prophet.Satan sets traps and men become entangled in them. 

There is some basis for some of their ideas as has been mentioned, however they take that small basis and make it into A BIG LIE.

[1to3]

There is another subtle

but wrong  new age ideology  that has crept into the church and that is the calling/praying on angels for protection.

Gods angels answer to God. We are not to pray to angels or try summoning them.

Prayer is to be made only to God. Angels are God's servants, but they cannot intercede for us before God. Our prayers can be made directly to God. Hebrews 4:14-16 assures us, "Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need." Jesus is our only mediator before God the Father. He has also given us the Holy Spirit to live with us (John 14:15-31; 16:5-15) and to intercede on our behalf (Romans 8:26-27). We are called to pray without ceasing to our Lord (1 Thessalonians 5:17), something that cannot take place if we also pray to angels.

 

Revelation 19:10

I, John, saw all these things with my own eyes, heard them with my ears. Immediately when I heard and saw, I fell on my face to worship at the feet of the Angel who laid it all out before me. He objected, “No you don’t! I’m a servant just like you and your companions, the prophets, and all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!”

 

[Roymond]

On 1/30/2023 at 8:39 AM, 1to3 said:

There is another subtle

but wrong  new age ideology  that has crept into the church and that is the calling/praying on angels for protection.

Gods angels answer to God. We are not to pray to angels or try summoning them.

Prayer is to be made only to God. Angels are God's servants, but they cannot intercede for us before God. Our prayers can be made directly to God. Hebrews 4:14-16 assures us, "Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need." Jesus is our only mediator before God the Father. He has also given us the Holy Spirit to live with us (John 14:15-31; 16:5-15) and to intercede on our behalf (Romans 8:26-27). We are called to pray without ceasing to our Lord (1 Thessalonians 5:17), something that cannot take place if we also pray to angels.

 

Revelation 19:10

I, John, saw all these things with my own eyes, heard them with my ears. Immediately when I heard and saw, I fell on my face to worship at the feet of the Angel who laid it all out before me. He objected, “No you don’t! I’m a servant just like you and your companions, the prophets, and all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!”

 

That's something I like about Martin Luther:  when his prayers mention angels, they are always asking God to send them, never talking to them directly.