Man was in Pangaea

[The Barbarian]

58 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Contrary to your claim, there is no sun required on a day before a sun existed.

By definition, a morning needs a sun to have mornings.   This is how the text itself tells us that it's not a literal account.

Changing definitions to fit your new doctrines is just a failure to accept what God tells us.

[Retrobyter]

5 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

By definition, a morning needs a sun to have mornings.   This is how the text itself tells us that it's not a literal account.

Changing definitions to fit your new doctrines is just a failure to accept what God tells us.

Shalom, The Barbarian.

You keep saying that, but that is not determined by YOUR definition of "morning" but on the Hebrew definition of בֹ֖קֶר "boqer."

1242 boqer בֹ֖קֶר (bo'-ker). From baaqar; properly, dawn (as the break of day); generally, morning:
-- (+) day, early, morning, morrow.

1239 baaqar בָּקַר (baw-kar'). A primitive root; properly, to plough, or (generally) break forth, i.e. (figuratively) to inspect, admire, care for, consider: 
-- (make) inquire (-ry), (make) search, seek out.

It doesn't require the sun, just the LIGHT!

[The Barbarian]

52 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, The Barbarian.

You keep saying that, but that is not determined by YOUR definition of "morning" but on the Hebrew definition of בֹ֖קֶר "boqer."

1242 boqer בֹ֖קֶר (bo'-ker). From baaqar; properly, dawn (as the break of day); generally, morning:
-- (+) day, early, morning, morrow.

1239 baaqar בָּקַר (baw-kar'). A primitive root; properly, to plough, or (generally) break forth, i.e. (figuratively) to inspect, admire, care for, consider: 
-- (make) inquire (-ry), (make) search, seek out.

It doesn't require the sun, just the LIGHT!

That would be true, if the Hebrews considered moonrise to be morning.    But they didn't.

1242. boqer

of coming of sunrise Judges 9:33; 2 Samuel 23:4 (twice in verse); 2 Kings 3:22 compare וערב ׳מוֺצָּאֵי ב Psalm 65:9 i.e. places of sunrise and sunset

   https://biblehub.com/hebrew/1242.htm

Edited February 28, 2023 by The Barbarian

[teddyv]

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, The Barbarian.

You keep saying that, but that is not determined by YOUR definition of "morning" but on the Hebrew definition of בֹ֖קֶר "boqer."

1242 boqer בֹ֖קֶר (bo'-ker). From baaqar; properly, dawn (as the break of day); generally, morning:
-- (+) day, early, morning, morrow.

1239 baaqar בָּקַר (baw-kar'). A primitive root; properly, to plough, or (generally) break forth, i.e. (figuratively) to inspect, admire, care for, consider: 
-- (make) inquire (-ry), (make) search, seek out.

It doesn't require the sun, just the LIGHT!

Are you going to address your speculation about parallel light rays from your previous post? I think you need to demonstrate some evidence about that claim before you can challenge others about their interpretation.

[Retrobyter]

19 hours ago, teddyv said:

Are you going to address your speculation about parallel light rays from your previous post? I think you need to demonstrate some evidence about that claim before you can challenge others about their interpretation.

Shalom, teddyv.

Sorry, I didn't realize anyone wanted to pursue it.

It's really quite simple: There was no sun or moon or stars in the sky after God created "ha'owr," "the light"; therefore, the beams of light did not converge (toward the "source"). Since the beams of light didn't converge, then they either had to DIVERGE (with regard to the "source") or they has to be parallel!

Light CAN be generated without a light source. Light consists of electric fields and magnetic fields. As a magnetic field collapses, it generates an electric field at ninety degrees to its wave pattern, When the magnetic field is gone, the electric field begins to collapse, and its collapse generates a magnetic field at ninety degrees to its wave pattern. When the electric field is gone, the magnetic field begins to collapse, and the cycle continues. This is why light (and all forms of the spectrum) are called "electromagnetic radiation."

All one would have to do is produce either a magnetic field or an electric field in space, and it would propagate along a line that would dictate the direction of the beam.

We create simple source by generating an electric field around a wire of significant energy. That electric field increases until it meets resistance in the wire and the field begins to die. That collapsing electric field generates a magnetic field. (If the magnetic fields of the wire were put into the shape of a coil, those magnetic fields would combine to form an electromagnet.) When the electric field is gone, the magnetic field begins to collapse. And, the process continues. We will see the wire begin to glow and that glow consists of rays of light. The process is graphed like this:

These waves fan out in all directions from the source.

YHWH God, being the Almighty Creator of all, doesn't need a "source" to produce this light, and to make "day" and "night," "yowm" and "laaylaah." He wanted to produce half light and half darkness. So, the easiest method would be to create light rays parallel to each other. 

To keep these light rays fairly parallel for earth's day and night, He made the light SOURCE, the "greater light," convergent at 93 million miles away, and to produce enough heat and light for the earth, He made the sun 864,000 miles in diameter.

Then, as a THIRD step, "and (He made) the stars (also)," "v'et hakkowkhaaViym." This is when He actually made the "sun," the "shemesh."

This gives us angles of 0.5325 degrees from the one side of the sun to the other side of  the sun, across its diameter. That's enough to see the spreading of the sunbeams in a sunrise or a sunset, but the rays are still fairly parallel. This fact and the tilt of the earth at 23.5 degrees, give us the seasons. So, the sun's position was also placed in such a way as to produce those seasons.

If the lights in the skies were produced "to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years," then science has it all backwards.

[dad2]

On 2/28/2023 at 10:41 AM, The Barbarian said:

By definition, a morning needs a sun to have mornings.   This is how the text itself tells us that it's not a literal account.

Changing definitions to fit your new doctrines is just a failure to accept what God tells us.

Not by God's definition. He made it clear He created the sun days after the earth. Even plants were made before the sun. Therefore it is impossible to define a day by what the sun does or does not do now. (or anytime after it was created)

[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, dad2 said:

Not by God's definition.

   God made it so mornings, the sun appears, and evenings, it disappears.    This is how the text tells us that it's not a literal account.   Why not just let go of your new revision, and let it be God's way?  

[Retrobyter]

16 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

   God made it so mornings, the sun appears, and evenings, it disappears.    This is how the text tells us that it's not a literal account.   Why not just let go of your new revision, and let it be God's way?  

Shalom, The Barbarian.

Check the Hebrew text, brother. The "morning" was first mentioned after the "LIGHT" was created and BEFORE "the greater light" was formed! There's a REASON for the order!

The Bible may not be a textbook on science, but God is not going to LIE either!

[The Barbarian]

4 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Check the Hebrew text, brother. The "morning" was first mentioned after the "LIGHT" was created and BEFORE "the greater light" was formed! There's a REASON for the order!

But as you know, "light in the sky" is not the definition of morning.   Sunrise is morning.  Otherwise the Bible would say moonrise is also morning.   No way to get around this.  Scripture itself says that the "days" are not literal ones.

 

 

[dad2]

17 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

   God made it so mornings, the sun appears, and evenings, it disappears.    This is how the text tells us that it's not a literal account.   Why not just let go of your new revision, and let it be God's way?  

No. He made it so that mornings and evening were here already before the sun existed. Believe it ---or not.