Biblical Genetics

[BeyondET]

12 hours ago, Mr. M said:

This is what I meant in a previous most, my mind is wandering

I am sort of holistic, so I can't easily separate everything so neatly. 

The mind is usually considered a part of the soul, with the will.

But it is only by our own intent that we can be spiritually minded, while

the fleshly mindedness is never fully shut off. You can leave a profoundly

spiritual experience, say at a long tarrying fellowship, then on the way home

your stomach growls and you head for Denny's. As long as you don't head

to the ho-house, you should be okay.

Yes flesh is a interesting thing, it doesn't shut off after death either muscle stem cells can live up to 17 days after the mind shuts down.

[AnOrangeCat]

On 1/26/2023 at 9:43 PM, Mr. M said:

In this passage, Peter speaks of the "corruptible seed". Sounds like genetic DNA to me.

What say you?

I think this is entirely possible. DNA is certainly part of our earthly bodies, and when you look at the works of the flesh as described in the Bible so very much of it is linked to our earthly bodies and the various drives that come from it. Those drives are important to our survival as a species and as individuals, but quite readily become sin when taken out of the context God intended.

[Mr. M]

20 minutes ago, AnOrangeCat said:

I think this is entirely possible. DNA is certainly part of our earthly bodies, and when you look at the works of the flesh as described in the Bible so very much of it is linked to our earthly bodies and the various drives that come from it. Those drives are important to our survival as a species and as individuals, but quite readily become sin when taken out of the context God intended.

Amen. DNA pre-existed it's so called "discovery" and naming by man.

The essence of fallen man is to worship the creation in place of the Creator,

which is even greater now than at the time of Paul because of our vast 

scientific discoveries. 

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me". To secular humanists,

the discoveries of man become a god.

Man has authority to name every discovery, including diseases, genetic

or otherwise. However, as believers, Jesus is the name above all names, 

thus we have authority over all things named, including cancer, schizophrenia,

epilepsy...etc.

The tragedy is than many people including Christians literally take ownership

of their illnesses by the confession of their mouths. They say, "MY OCD"

"My cancer", and undermine their divine healing, and leave themselves in

the hands of doctors, who are often powerless, except to tell you how many

months you have to live, because of YOUR cancer. A believer must speak by

name to the unclean spirit associated with their disease.

You foul, malignant cancer, you work of Satan, I cast you out in the name

of Jesus. All that remains is the giving of thanks, and the power of your

testimony.

[BeyondET]

49 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Amen. DNA pre-existed it's so called "discovery" and naming by man.

The essence of fallen man is to worship the creation in place of the Creator,

which is even greater now than at the time of Paul because of our vast 

scientific discoveries. 

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me". To secular humanists,

the discoveries of man become a god.

Man has authority to name every discovery, including diseases, genetic

or otherwise. However, as believers, Jesus is the name above all names, 

thus we have authority over all things named, including cancer, schizophrenia,

epilepsy...etc.

The tragedy is than many people including Christians literally take ownership

of their illnesses by the confession of their mouths. They say, "MY OCD"

"My cancer", and undermine their divine healing, and leave themselves in

the hands of doctors, who are often powerless, except to tell you how many

months you have to live, because of YOUR cancer. A believer must speak by

name to the unclean spirit associated with their disease.

You foul, malignant cancer, you work of Satan, I cast you out in the name

of Jesus. All that remains is the giving of thanks, and the power of your

testimony.

Medical treatments on cancer have come along way.

I think God inspires people to be doctors to help people in need. Sure divine interventions do happen but I know the casting out of a defected heart valve wasn't going to happen. The only cure was through the hands of a doctor. the operation was flawless in my case.

Edited January 29, 2023 by BeyondET

[kwikphilly]

38 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Amen. DNA pre-existed it's so called "discovery" and naming by man.

The essence of fallen man is to worship the creation in place of the Creator,

which is even greater now than at the time of Paul because of our vast 

scientific discoveries. 

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me". To secular humanists,

the discoveries of man become a god.

Man has authority to name every discovery, including diseases, genetic

or otherwise. However, as believers, Jesus is the name above all names, 

thus we have authority over all things named, including cancer, schizophrenia,

epilepsy...etc.

The tragedy is than many people including Christians literally take ownership

of their illnesses by the confession of their mouths. They say, "MY OCD"

"My cancer", and undermine their divine healing, and leave themselves in

the hands of doctors, who are often powerless, except to tell you how many

months you have to live, because of YOUR cancer. A believer must speak by

name to the unclean spirit associated with their disease.

You foul, malignant cancer, you work of Satan, I cast you out in the name

of Jesus. All that remains is the giving of thanks, and the power of your

testimony.

Oh my Brother- I had to reply here even though I cannot say all the things I want to at this time- I've read your OP & I have much to say on it- I'd like to get into thorns & thisles as well,which I believe can apply to mutated cells,viruses etc( look at Corona- looks like thorns!)

Anyway,yes yes yes to your most recent post! I'm a living Testimony who refuses to put that spirit of cancer on a leash & own it!!! It's not mine,it's trespassing!

Cancer is no different that a mental disorder or any other disease or manner of sickness - how many times must we hear " Hi I'm schizophrenic" before giving ones own Name" I'd never say" Hi,I'm a cancer patient"..... Oh,I've been diagnosed but I DONT WANT IT!!!!

Gee,I hope folks don't go on with " oh,the name it & claim it thing,blah blah blah" lol

It's much much more to Declare & Decree,to be MORE than a Conqueror in Christ,to Understand Victory and that sometimes we await the manifestation for what has already been Accomplished

Oh HALLELUYAH,thanks for this Topic- I'm out of time but as soon as I can I'll read through every post and catch up- so glad you brought this up- sadly it's not usually well Received,hence many are sick

With love in Christ,Kwik

 

[Mr. M]

1 minute ago, kwikphilly said:

It's much much more to Declare & Decree,to be MORE than a Conqueror in Christ,to Understand Victory and that sometimes we await the manifestation for what has already been Accomplished

Amen, sister.

It is to confess HIS NAME with authority, as the profession of our faith.

[kwikphilly]

5 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Medical treatments on cancer have come along way.

I think God inspires people to be doctors to help people in need. Sure divine interventions do happen but I know the casting out of a defected heart valve wasn't going to happen. The only cure was through the hands of a doctor. the operation was flawless in my case.

I Believe God Works through the surgeons hand,if it were your appointed time to return to God the surgeon could do nothing about it,do you agree?

And I do Believe that is what God Had for YOU,&:Lead you to that surgeon - but I don't doubt for one minute that God is Able to make a bad valve brandy new!- The Manufacturer also has parts,you just got OEM replacement..... God's Heals,Drs just perform the surgery!( A surgeon I know has that sign in his waiting room❤️)

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

On 1/26/2023 at 8:43 PM, Mr. M said:

1 Peter 1:22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit

in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, 

23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God

which lives and abides forever.

In this passage, Peter speaks of the "corruptible seed". Sounds like genetic DNA to me.

What say you?

What a sense of relief I sense in the Gay Christian community that there are genetic markers for

same sex orientation, and they are not in sin. Surely it is not possible that God would take something

that man "discovered", and  use it to punish sin, even to the result that it is passed down genetically

from parents to children.

Exodus 34:7 keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, 

by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and

the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.

Please correct me if I'm wrong,  but did you actually say being gay is ok because it's in a person's DNA?

 

I'm sorry but that's not correct. God's stance on homosexuality is very clear. It's always wrong. He never created any "gay" gene. It's not real. There is no such gene. However even if there were,  it wouldn't justify gay people's actions.  Even if you can't stop the feelings and occasional thoughts ( which I believe is NOT sinful ), you still have 100% control over your actions. Straight people don't get a free pass on promiscuity any more than gay people. It's wrong for everyone. 

[Mr. M]

11 minutes ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

Please correct me if I'm wrong,  but did you actually say being gay is ok because it's in a person's DNA?

 

I'm sorry but that's not correct. God's stance on homosexuality is very clear. It's always wrong. He never created any "gay" gene. It's not real. There is no such gene. However even if there were,  it wouldn't justify gay people's actions.  Even if you can't stop the feelings and occasional thoughts ( which I believe is NOT sinful ), you still have 100% control over your actions. Straight people don't get a free pass on promiscuity any more than gay people. It's wrong for everyone. 

No, I was stating the worldly position, which they try to justify by

saying it is genetic, and therefore unavoidable and should be accepted.

My position is "All unrighteousness is sin". This actually came up earlier

in the thread. I encourage you go all the way through, it has been quite

the discussion, and thanks for asking for clarification rather than accusing,

as some are wont to do. This thread is a rebuttal to modern secular humanism

that tries to explain away sin with "medical research and discoveries."

We believers have the answers to the questions by The Spirit of Truth.

[BeyondET]

5 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

I Believe God Works through the surgeons hand,if it were your appointed time to return to God the surgeon could do nothing about it,do you agree?

And I do Believe that is what God Had for YOU,&:Lead you to that surgeon - but I don't doubt for one minute that God is Able to make a bad valve brandy new!- The Manufacturer also has parts,you just got OEM replacement..... God's Heals,Drs just perform the surgery!( A surgeon I know has that sign in his waiting room❤️)

Yup I agree, when the doc came into my room. He said he never seen a valve so messed up. God keep me alive also to get the valve. It was so bad I had blood backing up into my lungs. When a valve stops doing its job there's no where else to relieve the pressure but the lungs.

Edited January 30, 2023 by BeyondET