R. Hartono Posted February 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,937 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted February 3, 2023 Luke 13:3 ......unless you repent you shall all perish. Nobody is going anywhere unless they repent. Salvation needs Grace and mutual effort by mankind too : https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James 2%3A24&version=NIV Christians without repentance efforts of compassions and forgiving others are the wrecked ships stranded on the sand. The common typical picture we might encounter in the neighbourhood. Not only they curse those who did no wrong to them howbeit they will forgive people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted February 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 3, 2023 4 hours ago, R. Hartono said: Luke 13:3 ......unless you repent you shall all perish. Nobody is going anywhere unless they repent. Salvation needs Grace and mutual effort by mankind too : https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James 2%3A24&version=NIV Christians without repentance efforts of compassions and forgiving others are the wrecked ships stranded on the sand. The common typical picture we might encounter in the neighbourhood. Not only they curse those who did no wrong to them howbeit they will forgive people. Repentance unto salvation and works are not the same thing, as you allude to above when you pointed to James 2:24. Repentance onto salvation is turning away from the life you once lived and turning to Christ. It's a change of heart and mind , no longer desiring to live life "my way" and accepting Jesus as Lord. James is pointing to the works one does after salvation, which can also be seen Ephesians 2:10. "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." This verse is written to show what happens after one is saved. Here is Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. " When people refer to repentance as works, they are making the mistake of seeing "salvation by works" since we must repent in order to accept Christ. I suggest a word study of the two would help you see this clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted February 3, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,122 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,852 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted February 3, 2023 There is s lot more to it than just repenting::: Quote Rom 10:9-10 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; NASB If you confess Jesus as your Lord, the word confess makes it mandatory that it is true. If Jesus is your Lord, there are several things he has told us to do and if we are truly saved by confessing he is our Lord, we are mandated we follow his orders. First and most important is to actually believe he is what he says he is and is capable of doing what he has promised.... Then, Love the God and Love your neighbor.... then there is repent and be baptized... not forsaking meeting... etc. Confessing Jesus as your Lord is not a simple thing as some think.... Confessing Jesus as your lord is a serious commitment by the confessor. Unfortunately, some are simply dooming themselves by making themselves a liar for they do not let/make it happen, for they do not allow Jesus to be their Lord. While Jesus is the only thing in creation that can save us when this heaven and earth is destroyed, there are things he demands to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted February 3, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,122 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,852 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted February 3, 2023 BTW it's just my opinion here, but the title to this thread seems a rather demeaning as to the sacrifice Jesus did for us. While repenting is important, it is far from being the most important thing, and it's the sacrifice that even makes repenting mean anything at all except for agreeing with the Godhead that you deserve eternity in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted February 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,937 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, other one said: There is s lot more to it than just repenting::: If you confess Jesus as your Lord, the word confess makes it mandatory that it is true. If Jesus is your Lord, there are several things he has told us to do and if we are truly saved by confessing he is our Lord, we are mandated we follow his orders. First and most important is to actually believe he is what he says he is and is capable of doing what he has promised.... Then, Love the God and Love your neighbor.... then there is repent and be baptized... not forsaking meeting... etc. Confessing Jesus as your Lord is not a simple thing as some think.... Confessing Jesus as your lord is a serious commitment by the confessor. Unfortunately, some are simply dooming themselves by making themselves a liar for they do not let/make it happen, for they do not allow Jesus to be their Lord. While Jesus is the only thing in creation that can save us when this heaven and earth is destroyed, there are things he demands to do so. I barely met christians whose light shineth that people glorify God. Only one in a hundred. Other ninety nine share their curses only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted February 3, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,122 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,852 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted February 3, 2023 15 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: I barely met christians whose light shineth that people glorify God. Only one in a hundred. Other ninety nine share their curses only. If that is true..... Then I would surmise, you need to move to Oklahoma and get out of the spiritual dump you exist in. or do something to fix it where you live. Let people know that they can't really repent in the way it takes to change one's life without making Jesus thier Lord.... you can't be indwelt with the Holy Spirit without that commitment from all I read in the Word and experience in life both myself and watching others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted February 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,937 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, other one said: BTW it's just my opinion here, but the title to this thread seems a rather demeaning as to the sacrifice Jesus did for us. The point is that the Ship of Salvation doesnt take people anywhere without good deed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted February 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,937 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, other one said: If that is true..... Then I would surmise, you need to move to Oklahoma and get out of the spiritual dump you exist in. or do something to fix it where you live. Let people know that they can't really repent in the way it takes to change one's life without making Jesus thier Lord.... you can't be indwelt with the Holy Spirit without that commitment from all I read in the Word and experience in life both myself and watching others. There were not even 10 good people in Sodom. And God only saved one Lot's family, minus his naughty wife. Isnt that the picture ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted February 3, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted February 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: The point is that the Ship of Salvation doesnt take people anywhere without good deed. Deeds do not save us. Deeds are the result of salvation, not the cause of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted February 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,398 Content Per Day: 12.16 Reputation: 3,269 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted February 3, 2023 Just now, ayin jade said: Deeds do not save us. Deeds are the result of salvation, not the cause of it. @ayin jade Ephesians 2.10, right? 'created unto good works' ....while salvation itself is 'not of works, lest any man should boast' (v.9). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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