Humble Opinions

[Marathoner]

7 hours ago, Mr. M said:

 

Agreed. That is why humility is so much more important than referencing a "harmless social convention".

In my experience, that is called giving lip service to something that is life and death to a believer. Do I

really need to quote scriptures on "humbling ourselves". Was I being prideful for pointing that out?

I have no problem with you taking your position as stated, but I am unmoved in my rejection of such

worthless and not harmless conventions. My experience has been that people who refer to their opinion

as "humble" are the same ones telling me mine is wrong, because I disagree with them. So who is being

prideful? Thanks for sharing yours just the same. If your reaction to IMHO is harmless social convention,

that is fine. I am sure many will agree with your opinion. I think it is down right insincere and condescending,

but that's just my... Love ya runner.

I thought it would be best to revisit this so no misunderstanding lingers, my friend. I commented on the subject matter, not you personally. In a medium such as the one we are using right now (text), some people are in the habit of using "IMO" or "IMHO" to indicate that they are offering their opinion on a given matter. As for myself, I typically use phrases like "I think" or "I believe" which, in my estimation, serve admirably to convey the same meaning. I tend to overlook shorthand. I do the same in the work that I do in a shelter serving the homeless, where many clients use language which is surely not acceptable to us. 

You're always welcome to share the scriptures!  

[Michael37]

9 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Writing IMHO does not make anyone humble, just self-serving and annoying.

So what does make you humble?

Philippians 3:21 who shall transform the body of our humiliation to its becoming

conformed to the body of his glory, according to the working of his power,

even to subject to himself all things.

Acts 8:33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away:

and who shall declare his generation?

for his life is taken from the earth.

When you have suffered enough humiliation,

you will be humble enough to know..."in my humble opinion".

“My Uriah,' said Mrs. Heep, 'has looked forward to this, sir, a long while. He had his fears that our umbleness stood in the way, and I joined in them myself. Umble we are, umble we have been, umble we shall ever be,' said Mrs. Heep.”

― Charles Dickens, David Copperfield

[Mr. M]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

“My Uriah,' said Mrs. Heep, 'has looked forward to this, sir, a long while. He had his fears that our umbleness stood in the way, and I joined in them myself. Umble we are, umble we have been, umble we shall ever be,' said Mrs. Heep.”

― Charles Dickens, David Copperfield

Remains a familiar sentiment, that someone who grew up poor had "humble beginnings". But will soon confess, "I have my pride". Reminds me of when guys would come in off the streets to the rescue mission, broke, busted, and disgusted, covered in lice and reeking of the devil and so humbly accept our assistance. By the third day, they are saying, "You can't talk to me like that, I'm a MAN." Lol.

[R. Hartono]

11 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Writing IMHO does not make anyone humble, just self-serving and annoying.

So what does make you humble?

Philippians 3:21 who shall transform the body of our humiliation to its becoming

conformed to the body of his glory, according to the working of his power,

even to subject to himself all things.

Acts 8:33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away:

and who shall declare his generation?

for his life is taken from the earth.

When you have suffered enough humiliation,

you will be humble enough to know..."in my humble opinion".

Very true, writing doesnt make humble, but suffering humiliation Will do make humility.

[Rockson]

12 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Writing IMHO does not make anyone humble, just self-serving and annoying.

 

Maybe like the saying, I'm humble and proud of it? 

You do make an interesting point. Perhaps ones should demonstrate they have humility by their actions and how they conduct themselves as compared to trying to prove they are by declaration. 

[Mr. M]

13 minutes ago, Rockson said:

Maybe like the saying, I'm humble and proud of it? 

You do make an interesting point. Perhaps ones should demonstrate they have humility by their actions and how they conduct themselves as compared to trying to prove they are by declaration. 

What I have found that most disturbs me is that a respondent will ignore scriptures quoted, while not offering anything to support their position, holding to a "everyone is entitled to their opinion" while establishing the idea that theirs is a "humble opinion". It is still just an opinion if you cannot provide the witness of God's Word. I also do not accept Wikinotes, Gotquestions, or commentaries, of which there are hundreds of conflicting positions, showing the truth that a commentary is just an opinion, by someone who has seemingly been validated simply by being published and popular. 

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, 

it is because there is no light in them.

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[Ray12614]

5 hours ago, Sower said:

cool...I humbly agree..

I have no idea what that INHM means, so, I am blissfully unoffended . . . . 

regarding being humble, nobody can beat me! yes sir! I am so humble I walk in a room backwards so nobody can see just how handsome I am . . . I am so humble I tell people how humble I am so they know they can never measure up to my humbleness . . .

Yes Siree!!! When it comes to that humble thing I can't be beat!!!

(and yes . . . this is a bad joke . . . )

[Mr. M]

31 minutes ago, Ray12614 said:

I have no idea what that INHM means, so, I am blissfully unoffended . . . . 

regarding being humble, nobody can beat me! yes sir! I am so humble I walk in a room backwards so nobody can see just how handsome I am . . . I am so humble I tell people how humble I am so they know they can never measure up to my humbleness . . .

Yes Siree!!! When it comes to that humble thing I can't be beat!!!

(and yes . . . this is a bad joke . . . )

Remember the Mac Davis Song: 1974 It's Hard To Be Humble

Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble
When you're perfect in every way
I can't wait to look in the mirror
Cause I get better lookin' each day
To know me is to love me
I must be a hell of a man
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble
But I'm doin' the best that I can

[Neighbor]

2 hours ago, Rockson said:

Maybe like the saying, I'm humble and proud of it? 

You do make an interesting point. Perhaps ones should demonstrate they have humility by their actions and how they conduct themselves as compared to trying to prove they are by declaration. 

Would one then find fault in Rabbi Paul's writings where he wrote versions of the statement  I speak not by command? Was he not alerting his readers that he was giving a "humble" opinion.  Might he today just write IMHO?

[Mr. M]

30 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Would one then find fault in Rabbi Paul's writings where he wrote versions of the statement  I speak not by command? Was he not alerting his readers that he was giving a "humble" opinion.  Might he today just write IMHO?

Paul's testimony is an ideal support for the premise of the OP,

that humility comes from humiliation.

Just because he states "I speak not by command", i.e. dictating behavior,

it would be illogical to consider his statements simply opinion.

He spoke authoritatively, always.

1 Corinthians 7:

39 A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies,

she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

40 But she is happier if she remains as she is, according to my judgment—

and I think I also have the Spirit of God.

1 Corinthians 9:1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? 

Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? 

Are you not my work in the Lord? 

2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you.

For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.

3 My defense to those who examine me is this...

Boastful, or authoritative? No, I do not think Paul would offer

his "humble opinion", as the record shows that he did not.

He was humbled to the core by his many humiliations

2 Corinthians 6:3-10 We give no offense in anything, that our ministry may not be blamed. But in all things we commend ourselves as ministers of God: in much patience, in tribulations, in needs, in distresses, in stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labors, in sleeplessness, in fastings;  by purity, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Spirit, by sincere love,  by the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armor of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, by honor and dishonor, by evil report and good report; as deceivers, and yet true; as unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and behold we live; as chastened, and yet not killed;  as sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

Finally, it is Paul who teaches us the fruit of the Spirit, one of which is NOT humility, which indicates to me that humility by humiliation precedes them all. This is essential to the Christian walking in victory over sin, even as Peter teaches us.

1 Peter 4:1 Therefore, since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, 2 that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.

Spoiler Alert: To "humble ourselves under the mighty hand of God" is going to involve suffering for His Name sake. This is the overriding theme of the first epistle of Peter.

1 Peter 5:6  Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, 7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.