Four questions for YECs - (and a little history of creationism vs evolution)

[dad2]

19 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Do you know what a star is, not until you look through a telescope that's a fact. Could be a sun, planet, galaxy quasar, many different light sources. 

No it is a dream of so called science. No one knows the distance to stars in reality, nor the sizes nor the ages. Calling stars suns is nothing more than an insult to Jesus the creator. I have no idea how big stars are, and neither do you regardless of whether you think you do or not.

19 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

The milky way has been around since the beginning, and the gold that is on earth came from supernovas the death of star long before the entire solar system formed.

False. The earth was created first according to God. The stars were not in existence till later.

19 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

I know you wouldn't believe where gold comes from. You probably think God just bristo it in the earth.

The ideas of science on the matter are bad religion.

19 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Do you understand the statement that "and He created the stars also" being the other planets in the solar system.

Says who? Did God not name some stars for example in Job specifically? (Orion and etc) Did you actually think the creator of heaven and earth did not know what a star was??

19 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Ancient generations used to call them wondering stars because they had no idea they where other planets.

God never did that. If some planets were included by men as stars in ancient times, so what?

19 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

The writings certainly wasn't written to people who could see far out into the universe and create instruments to read and study those creations in space.

God saw further than that. His home is beyond the stars. Trying to limit God and creation and truth to your invented idea of what ancient people thought is patently ridiculous.

19 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Light is vast and in many types of creations.

Yet the light that was on earth in the first day of creation was right here, and before the creation of the sun.

Edited April 13, 2023 by dad2

[BeyondET]

31 minutes ago, dad2 said:

No it is a dream of so called science. No one knows the distance to stars in reality, nor the sizes nor the ages. Calling stars suns is nothing more than an insult to Jesus the creator. I have no idea how big stars are, and neither do you regardless of whether you think you do or not.

False. The earth was created first according to God. The stars were not in existence till later.

The ideas of science on the matter are bad religion.

Says who? Did God not name some stars for example in Job specifically? (Orion and etc) Did you actually think the creator of heaven and earth did not know what a star was??

God never did that. If some planets were included by men as stars in ancient times, so what?

God saw further than that. His home is beyond the stars. Trying to limit God and creation and truth to your invented idea of what ancient people thought is patently ridiculous.

Yet the light that was on earth in the first day of creation was right here, and before the creation of the sun.

All that said using computer science yea I agree your dreaming up. The word star is a general statement of a bright light in the sky. Saying it is a insult to Jesus is pathetic.

Telescopes is cool to look at God's creations in the universe, maybe you can try it one day.

Excusing me of trying to limit God and creation and truth because people used to call the planets wondering stars is ridiculous. that made no sense at all.

Do you even know what Orion is probably not.

 

Edited April 13, 2023 by BeyondET

[ChristB4us]

15 hours ago, dad2 said:

The universe as we know it with stars and moon and sun etc did not exist. The earth existed. It was not finished or formed in day one. So I think the planet existed, but that it was not land and sea etc yet. The sun and stars did not exist then. Light did exist.

 

So when the Spirit of God moved over the waters, I would assume that primarily (if not exclusively) meant over earth. The still unformed or completed earth with waters etc.

Read what happened on the 2nd day.  Do read it with His help & wisdom.

Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

That was the beginning of the formation of the earth in creating a water planet with an upper atmosphere. 

It was the third day when land appeared teeming with plant life.  That was the completion of the creation of planet earth that third day.

[ChristB4us]

13 hours ago, BeyondET said:

The heavens is the universe, everything physical is in it.

And outside of this universe not touched by sin & decay & death is God's throne.

[ChristB4us]

14 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Thanks for your opinion.  You are really showing your colors, by showing your disdain for researching Hebrew words and how they are translated in the rest of the OT.  And since the same words in v.2 that are translated another way in the other verses where they are found doesn't agree with you, you simply reject them.  Hardly scholarly.

Well, finally.  Of course.  Even the NT supports my view that Gen 1 is a restoration.

Heb 11:3 - By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

The big word in bold is 'katartizo' and means to restore, mend, retrofit, adjust to fit.

Where have I said any of this garbage?  You sure like to take big leaps, don'cha.

Of course you are free to your own opinions, but you have no Scripture that supports your opinions.

And, the traditional translation of v.2 creates a blatant contradiction with isa 45:18

v.2 "and the earth was created tohu".  

Isa 45:18 "and God DID NOT CREATE the earth tohu.

If you like contradictions in the Bible, that's your business.

I will not tolerate contradictions.  Such an idea is blasphemous.

Over 50 KJV educated translators were divided into 8 groups and were to check each other in their work before passing it to another group to be checked over.

But I am supposed to believe you, by yourself, got the right translation?

As believers will rail against the KJV over their preference for other Bible versions, and claiming mistakes, and yet they say the KJV is not a bad Bible and even say eventually that not all Bibles are saying the same thing for why they say go to the Greek & Hebrew; the one thing I noticed among these modern scholars is how they argue over each other in their personal translations and debase the other of their education; lacking proper Greek grammar and all that while another says they can't use modern Greek grammar as it is different back then.

So I have grounds to doubt your credibility, brother.  It is not meant as an insult to you, but you should give pause to your translation in the Greek & Hebrew.

There are no real contradictions in the KJV, but modern Bibles are not keeping the truth in His words like aligning John 16:13 with Romans 8:26-27 as modern Bibles infer that the Holy Spirit is making sounds when doing His intercessions in Romans 8:26 BUT in the KJV, the Holy Spirit cannot even utter His own groanings which aligns with John 16:13 that He cannot speak from Himself but speaks what He hears.

The Lord has to help me see how the KJV keeps the meat in His words when modern Bibles are changing the message to sow doubts in the truth in His words as kept in other parts of that modern bible.

That is why I am sticking to the KJV as I trust Jesus Christ as my personal Good Shepherd to confirm His words to me.

Like Easter in Acts 12:4 was Tyndale's version as he was the one that coined Passover first in English in the O.T. and applied Easter for the N.T. as meaning the same reference to that Passover.  History seems to indicate he was executed as a heretic for doing that, but supposedly the KJV translators had it as Passover in the KJV and some anti0KJVist claimed that some Archbishop Richard Bancroft was the one that changed it ack to Easter in Acts 12:4 even though he left all the other ones alone that the KJV translator had switched it to Passover in the N.T.

Anyway Tyndale did not use Easter to refer to that pagan festival but to Passover as originally, the Hebrew word "pasach" was usually left untranslated in English.

So I know that Acts 12:4 should be read as "after the seven days of the unleavened bread" just to avoid the confusion of the passover day since the arrest was done in the midst of the 7 days of the unleavened bread as Acts 12;1-4 testify in context.

So the KJV is not a perfect Bible but it contains the meat in His words that does not sow doubts in His words that unlike other modern Bibles do.

And when you go off into the Greek & Hebrew like that, you are bound to make mistakes being by yourself as that arena is riddle with strife in doing it properly.

Apply your faith in Jesus Christ to help you see the truth in His words in the KJV as comparing with other modern bibles as only He can confirm His words to you.

I cannot.

[ChristB4us]

14 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

When anyone does the research to see how the key words in v.2 are translated elsewhere, of course a retranslation from the KJV is necessary.

There is no evolutionary theory in my view.  God simply created the entire universe sometime in eternity past, and He did not give any details of what transpired that led to having to restore the earth before putting humanity on it.

Then you need to reread Genesis chapter one again with His help, because earth was not there the first day.  

The second day God started the creation of earth by forming a water planet with an upper atmosphere.

The third day He made lad appear teeming with planet life thus completing the creation of the earth that 3rd day.

Then He created the universe after that for its lights to govern the earth that fourth day.

[dad2]

 

 

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       All that said using computer science yea I agree your dreaming up.

    Using computers does not affect how or what God created.

     

       

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        The word star is a general statement of a bright light in the sky. Saying it is a insult to Jesus is pathetic.

    The context is how modern science (and those who hold that religion above God) defines a star and it's origin, distance, age etc etc. Be honest.

     

     

       

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        Telescopes is cool to look at God's creations in the universe, maybe you can try it one day.

    Nothing wrong with looking at creation. Teaching that it is not 'really' created is another matter. That is the oldest lie of the serpent.

     

   

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        Excusing me of trying to limit God and creation and truth because people used to call the planets wondering stars is ridiculous. that made no sense at all.

    Whatever people called anything does not matter any more than what people in so called science call things now. As I pointed out, God knows what stars are and created them.

     

         

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        Do you even know what Orion is probably not.

    God does. Science does not. Let's see your opinion on the matter.

 

 

Edited April 13, 2023 by dad2

[dad2]

5 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

Read what happened on the 2nd day.  Do read it with His help & wisdom.

Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

That was the beginning of the formation of the earth in creating a water planet with an upper atmosphere. 

It was the third day when land appeared teeming with plant life.  That was the completion of the creation of planet earth that third day.

No. In that very firmament God made all the stars later that week. The stars are not on earth. There were waters both above and below where the stars are.

[FreeGrace]

4 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

Over 50 KJV educated translators were divided into 8 groups and were to check each other in their work before passing it to another group to be checked over.

But I am supposed to believe you, by yourself, got the right translation?

Leet's just settle this once and for all.  Do you believe that "castaway" refers to loss of salvation?  Yes or no, please.  I'm tired of this roundy round.

[FreeGrace]

4 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

Then you need to reread Genesis chapter one again with His help, because earth was not there the first day.

No, you do.

Gen 1:1 -  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Your claim is quite bizarre.

4 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

  The second day God started the creation of earth by forming a water planet with an upper atmosphere.

What verse says this?  

4 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

The third day He made lad appear teeming with planet life thus completing the creation of the earth that 3rd day.

Then He created the universe after that for its lights to govern the earth that fourth day.

You have no support for your claims.