Revived Rome, or the Assyrian?

[Diaste]

On 4/2/2023 at 1:39 PM, Revelation Man said:

It is COMMON SENSE, but it is not given in Daniel is it? That is what I stated, there are only 5 Beasts spoken of in Daniel, and 7 Beasts in Revelation 12, 13 and 17.  The 7 Heads represents 7 Powers, the Dragon has a CROWN in Rev. 12 on the 7 Heads, why? Because as we are shown in Luke 4  Satan stated ALL THESE Kingdoms are mine to do as I so please with, thus he offered them to Jesus, if he would only worship him. So, New York city is a CROWN, L.A. is a CROWN, London is a CROWN, Brazil is a CROWN etc. etc. etc. the whole world. But only the Mediterranean Sea Region are being spoken of by God and only 7 Powers (Satan Rules over) are being shown as DOMINATING ANIMALS who ruled over Israel AND the Mediterranean Sea Region. Can we look back in history to see who they were?

Of course we can, Egypt ruled over the Mediterranean Sea Region (MSR) and Israel were enslaved in Egypt, Assyria ruled the MSR and toted the Northern Tribes off, Babylon ruled over the MSR and toted Israel off to Babylon for 70 years. Persia ruled over the MSR and Israel, Greece ruled over the MSR and Israel and Antiochus tried to wipe out all the Israelis who refuse to stop worshiping God. Rome ruled over the whole MSR and Israel and destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple while toting the Jews off as slaves etc. etc. The COMING Anti-Christ will conquer Israel and the whole MSR, at the 1260 middle of the week DOTL event. Daniel 12:6-7 says so. So, Yes Rev. 12, 13 and 17 shows 7 Heads and thus we understand who the 5 who had fallen were, Dan. 2, nor 7 shows us that there were 7, the only show from Babylon on.

I suppose you can, but it's adding what isn't there. Who ruled where is not a valid mode in the model of biblical interpretation when 'who ruled where' is the overriding criteria. The statue begins with the head of Gold, Nebuchadnezzar, and ends with an iron kingdom divided. Nothing here says: Rome, the EU, Assyria, nor Egypt.

Rev 17:10 doesn't name a single kingdom, empire, realm or any ruler. 'One is' equated to Rome is apart from any evidence. It's a necessary component of pretrib fantasy, though I don't know why. 

Here is the oft ignored problem with the pretrib assumption of Rome:

"The beast that was, and now is not, is an eighth king, who belongs to the other seven and is going into destruction."

The 8th has to be of the previous 7. These are also 'kings' as Revelation says, "There are also seven kings." So we are seeing kings here, not tortured logic twisting this into the 'kingdoms'. Rome here doesn't work. If the time of the giving of Revelation is 65 AD then we don't have 7 kings; Nero was the 5th Roman emperor. If Revelation was given in 95 AD then Domitian was the emperor and he is the 10th after Augustus. 

The 8th then would have to be Vitellius, who lasted 8 months. Otho could fit for the "the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while." since he lasted 3 months before committing suicide. That would still leave Vitellius as the 8th but he does not fit the prophecy at all, to wit: "The beast that was, and now is not, is an eighth king, who belongs to the other seven and is going into destruction."

Vespasian's troop murdered Vitellius after only 8 months. 

This is why equating Rev 17:10 to kingdoms is a must for pretrib. But it doesn't work.

But I suppose we can go with the creative interpretation of pretrib that says "Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come;" is past, present and future in 12 words. An interpretation that has zero evidence and barren of any biblical support.

Where pretrib errs, and anyone else who thinks this is Rome, is in the assumption this, "Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come;", is a timeline. It's not. It's an identifier. It's the divine ID of the beast and from whence he cometh, so we can see him even before he arises.

I don't know how to work this out yet. I thought I did, but it seems my initial investigation didn't produce the hoped for yield. 

Further, how would it work is this was Rome and "There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while." is equivalent to kingdoms? Would that not mean Rome would have to fall 5 times, rise again[one is], then fall again, then rise[the 7th], remain for a short time[whatever that means] and then rise a final time as the 8th? 

 

 

 

On 4/2/2023 at 1:39 PM, Revelation Man said:

 

Islam has NEVER RULED over Israel, do you not understand this? Israel is not the land sir. Israel from 70 AD to 1948 was Dead Men's Bones, meaning they were not an earthly entity they were DEAD, then God brings those bones back to life as Ezekiel 37s Valley of Dry Bones Prophecy shows us, so what does Islam have to do with Dominating or Ruling over Israel? Nothing at all !! You are missing that the bible is about Israel, not a landmass, but the people. Islam has never ruled over Israel sir.

Sure did. Jews were still in the land when Islam ruled the known world. This idea that the Diaspora evacuated every living Israeli and Jew from Israel and Jerusalem is hoping in fool's gold. 

On 4/2/2023 at 1:39 PM, Revelation Man said:

 

No, you missed it. You assume (I guess) because its called the Iron Beast by Gid that it has to mean Assyria, it doesn't, God is speaking about the Hardest, most Cruel Kingdom between the four beasts being spoken about.

No. I was only comparing an interesting point that seems to fit with scriptural fact.

On 4/2/2023 at 1:39 PM, Revelation Man said:

Dan. 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished(until the 70th week ends): for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor[regard] the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

So, this man is an Atheist, not a Muslim. If his fathers(a Turkish family) are Muslim then he will no be a Muslim, nor will he serve ANY GOD, he will magnify himself as god !! The RED REGARDS is how it should read, but three regards would have been monotonous, the writer felt it should be a known understanding since RAGARD is used twice in the verse. Basically, this means he will not take advice from woman, or serve the gods they serve, either way, it does not mean he is a homosexual.

Absolutely incorrect. Read it all, pastor.

"And in their place, he will honor a god of fortresses—a god his fathers did not know"- Dan 11:38.

The willful king, "will show no regard for the gods of his fathers"

He will then, "honor a god of fortresses—a god his fathers did not know".

Definitely not atheistic. 

On 4/2/2023 at 1:39 PM, Revelation Man said:

Again, you miss the point, every square inch of the Mediterranean Sea Region  who were being DOMINATED, where the Beasts came from is not relevant, except the Last Beast will have the exact same Landmass as the Fourth Beast when the conquer the MSR. If China had conquered Israel as lets say the 2nd Beast instead of Persia, all that matters is Israel and the MSR were in bondage to a China Beast. No one cares about the Landmass of the taskmasters, that is not even relevant tbh. 

I don't miss the point. I reject your conclusions; like the point above about the beast being an atheist. Outlandish supposition.

On 4/2/2023 at 1:39 PM, Revelation Man said:

Assyria can not be one of the Four Beast, they came before the First Beast Babylon. Islam has never BEASTED OVER Israel. Israel are not "The Land" they are "The People". 

Never said Assyria was or is. 

On 4/2/2023 at 1:39 PM, Revelation Man said:

 This explains why God gave us such a DETAILED RUNDOWN of every Greek king which ends with the Archetype Antiochus in verses 21-34 AND the Anti-Christ in verses 36-45. 

AE IV is Seleucid. A Syrian king. Cassander did not give birth to AE. AE IV is a grandson of Seleucus 1 Nicator. Gimme a break and do some reading of history. 

On 4/2/2023 at 1:39 PM, Revelation Man said:

No one says Dan. 11 follows Rome,

Right.

On 4/2/2023 at 1:39 PM, Revelation Man said:

 

we get that from Dan. 7 and Dan. 8,

No. You apply need here, not facts.

On 4/2/2023 at 1:39 PM, Revelation Man said:

So, as Dan. 8:9 says that the Anti-Christ conquers FROM Greece.

Thus the goat became very great, but at the height of his power, his large horn was broken off, and four prominent horns came up in its place, pointing toward the four winds of heaven.

9From one of these horns a little horn emerged and grew extensively toward the south and the east and toward the Beautiful Land. 

No. It just says, 'from one of these' 

Dan 11 begins the narrative with, "4But as soon as he is established, his kingdom will be broken up and parceled out toward the four winds of heaven. It will not go to his descendants, nor will it have the authority with which he ruled, because his kingdom will be uprooted and given to others." iterating Dan 8:9, then follows the Seleucid kings to AE IV and then directly from AE IV to the willful king of Dan 11:36. There is no Greece here. If Dan 11 isn't showing us Greece then Dan 8:9 isn't either. 

I don't know how you can be comfortable proclaiming Rome! Greece! when the prophecy of Dan 11 follows the lineage of the Seleucid Kings. 

On 4/2/2023 at 1:39 PM, Revelation Man said:

 

So, I agree totally, Dan. 11 is all about the Greek Kings, I never stated anything differently, but the last Greek King (Anti-Christ) is born in the European Union (10).

Seleucid kings. AE IV is Seleucid and Syrian. He literally ruled Syria as King.

On 4/2/2023 at 1:39 PM, Revelation Man said:

 

No, there were only really three strong parts of the Kingdom, Seleucus, Ptolemy, and Cassander. He also has to be born in the E.U. and only Greece is in the E.U.

Wrong. Antigonus had the support the reunite Greece. That's why Seleucid and Ptolemy joined forces and killed him, installing Lysimachus.

On 4/2/2023 at 1:39 PM, Revelation Man said:

 

It is not a brutal accusation, why is it people can not understand Satan is a LIAR and never STOPS LYING unto us? Of course the Church hears his voice, why would we have 100s of interpretations of who the Harlot is, who the 144,000 are, who the Beasts are, who Babylon is, God has ONE TRUTH, Satan has many truths. 

But you are immune? lol

 

[Revelation Man]

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

Well...

"From one of these horns a little horn emerged"

'One' here is a primary cardinal number. It's not two, it's ONE. That one is Seleucid, in my estimation, from what the rest of the writings of Daniel has to say about this guy.

One of the four Greek Horns, that has nothing to do with the Daniel 7 Prophecy because it was not a part of "The Four" being spoken of in Dan. 8. So, yes, via the Four Generals Horns it can only come out of "ONE", he can't be born in "TWO", but he can come out of one of those Horns and still come to power out of the "Remnant 10 Horns of the Fourth Beast", in that one of the Four Generals Kingdom (Greece) can in the end times be a part of the 10 kings (E.U.). 

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

"and grew extensively toward the south and the east and toward the Beautiful Land." 

I have aways thought this is three cardinal directions; South, East and West. What you contend doesn't fit, imo. If Greece is the location where the beast rises then Dan 8:9 would have to mean 'toward the south, the east and the east', or 'toward the south, the east, and the south' since the 'beautiful land', Israel,  would be east and south of Greece.

No, Israel (Pleasant Land) is not West brother. The Map clearly shows it is South East of Greece, but the reason it is given at all here is to show what WAXES GREAT TOWARDS actually means, we know the "End Time Beast" will Conquer Israel, thus we also know he will Conquer Seleucus (Turkey) and Ptolemy (Egypt) as Dan. 11:40-43 shows us. We all know the Bible us about Israel, so of course Israelis thrown in even though in the end times they will not be ruled b y anyone until this Beast conquers them. They simply join the E.U. that is the Agreement (Covenant) of Dan 9:27. 

He will be like unto Antiochus, who was born in Greece, ruled over Seleucus, conquered Egypt and tried to kill of all Jews who worshiped God. He also had a Jewish High Priest named Jason who threw in with him, welcomed him into God's temple to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus, then mandated that all Jews become Hellenized. Thus after Israel joins the E.U. which kicks off the 70th week of God's punishment, (they give away God's LAND, thus His wrath or the 70th week kicks in) this E.U. President, born in Greece, with Assyrian blood, will have the power of persuasion over the Israeli Prime Minister and the Jewish High Priest, and just like Jason under Antiochus, this E.U. President/King will get the Jewish High Priest (False Prophet) to stoop Jesus Worship (the Jews repent 75 days before this happens via the Two-witnesses the 1335 Blessing) thus he also sets up the AoD (IMAGE) as Re. 13 tells us, the 2nd Beast gets men to make an IMAGE of the First Beast, and they place it in the temple of God. So, the Anti-Christ, who only comes to power 1260 days before Jesus' 2nd coming, can't be the 1290 person who takes away the sacrifice (Jesus) and places the AoD, because the 1260 happens 30 days after the 1290. Its all tied together, but we have to understand the meaning of the 1225, the 1290 and the 1260 in order to put all the pieces of the puzzle together. The Pleasant Land was not one of the Four Generals Kingdoms per se, but he will conquer Israel.

 

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

Much simpler is if the little horn is in Mesopotamia where the south is Egypt, the east is Iran, etc., and the beautiful land is west. And I only say 'south' since Daniel writes 'king of the south'. Greece isn't mentioned that I know of in Daniel 11. It's the KOTN and KOTS. I suspect the willful king is right in the middle, the Seleucid Empire, from which arose Antiochus IV Epiphanes, the only perpetrator of the shadow of the coming end of the age A of D. A shadow and type we see clearly written in Dan 11:30-31. 

The A of D perp is also recorded in the Jewish Encyclopedia; and he is Seleucid, Syrian, and right in the middle of south, east and west.

Iran was a part of the Four Generals Kingdoms but it was a part of Seleucus, this is not about Turkey conquering Iran, that doesn't fit, both Turkey and Iran's armies are destroyed by God via the Gog and Magog war. We have to narrow this down to ONLY the four power bases in this inter-kingdom struggle, Cassander,  Lysimachus, Ptolemy and Seleucus. We know  Lysimachus basically was never a threat overall unto the other three. All we basically get is the King of the North vs. the King of the South over and over. Thus in the end times this King of the North vs. KOTS is Greece vs. Egypt (all of North Africa), we know this by the direction in which the End Time Anti-Christ conquers, towards the East, the South and Israel, of it was Sleucus it would just say toward the South and Israel, Seleucus conquering Russia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan  etc. etc. towards the East is meaningless in this Four General Inter-kingdom battle. We are only to look at the Power Bases in these Four Generals Kingdoms, which were Greece in Cassander, Turkey via Seeucus and Egypt via Ptolemy. Only Greece is in the E.U. thus the Little Horn can only come out of one of the Greek Kingdoms and THAT KING has to also be born in a Nation  who will be in the E.U. where he can become the E.U. President as Dan. 7 also mandates will happen.

I agree, the KOTN was always or mostly from Seleucus in Dan. 11 but the end time KOTN is from Greece. All we need is a KOTN vs. a KOTS in each instance. Antiochus was born in Greece, the A.C. or Little Horn is not going to be born in Turkey. 

The AoD was a two person collaboration, Antiochus and Jason, and Jewish High Priest under Antiochus (real name Yeshua) whose brother was a Pious High Priest named Onias III who was killed by Antiochus. The KOTN battles changed from time to time, we can see all 6 of them. The 7th will be the last.

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

No, the Assyrian does not have to be born in Greece. 

 

Yes he does unless God is a liar in Dan. 7:7-8 and Dan. 8:9.

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

No, he does not have to come to power in the EU. Satan grants him power through healing the head wound.

The Wound was to Rome, the Beast went away because of the Gospel, Rome was turned from a Beast unto a Conveyor Belt of the Gospel by the blood of the Church. After the Rapture of the Church the Beast only comes back to power by CONQUERING Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region(MSR). A Beast simply refers unto a Power who RULES over a REGION (MSR). Satan is only allowed to bring back the Beast (over Israel) after the Rapture AND after Israel once again defies God, giving her sovereignty away by joining the E.U. 

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

No, he does not have be a Turk, he has to be 'the Assyrian'.

 

You do not get why I say he will be a Turk. I will show why below.

Assyria is not Syria. Assyria started in Iraq (Dark Green) basically, then spread to mostly Northern Iraq and Southern Turkey (Middle Green Color) and lastly it grew bigger and included some of what is currently called Syria, but overall the base was an Norther Iraq and Southern Turkey Kingdom. So, whoever the End Time Little Horn or Anti-Christ is he will have to have Assyrian Blood, and he has to be born in Greece as Antiochus was, Dan. 8:9 MANDATES this, and he has yo come to power out of the 10 that reunite (E.U.) as Dan. 7:7-8 MANDATES. So, since he has to be born in Greece, and he has to have Assyrian Blood, even if his lineage goes back to an Iraqi family, his family has to migrate to Greece at some point and the most logical route of migration is from Turkey because the two nations have common borders, so he's a Turk, which means the family that migrated to Greece did so from Turkey. You are only seeing Assyria and do not get what that fully entails. You discount Dan. 8:9 and Dan. 7:7-8 and only see Assyrian. But AL THREE have to be correct, not one. 

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

I know who Joel Richardson is, I have never read his books. In fact I have a tough time even listening to him for more than short intervals. 

Well, you are perpetuating that which he put forth, which is in error brother. You have to use al scriptures, not just selected scriptures. The biggest problem I a guy called unto Prophecy sees is that non prophecy guys fail to use every verse about an event and thus they usually come out without a full picture of the events. God Bless.

P.S. (TIP) never get the picture first then try to justify the understanding, take the prophesies and dissect them all, then get the picture.

I will reply to the other a wee bit later. Its dinner time/lunch, whatever one calls it. ME LIKE..........Pumpkin pie, YUMMY. 

Edited April 9, 2023 by Revelation Man

[Revelation Man]

14 hours ago, Diaste said:

I suppose you can, but it's adding what isn't there.

Its not adding anything, just like those which understood there would be a suffering servant who came before the conquering king. God gives us clues we have to put them together. Jesus spoke to his disciples in parables for a reason. Revelation tells us 5 of the 7 has fallen, of course the only 5 who ruled or Beasted over Israel before Rome are all KNOWN ENTITIES, its not guesswork brother.

14 hours ago, Diaste said:

Who ruled where is not a valid mode in the model of biblical interpretation when 'who ruled where' is the overriding criteria. The statue begins with the head of Gold, Nebuchadnezzar, and ends with an iron kingdom divided. Nothing here says: Rome, the EU, Assyria, nor Egypt.

Of course it is, the bible is about Israel. Yes, the Statue and the Daniel 7 are known entities also, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome, and a 5th Beast the Little Horn/Anti-Christ to come. 

Assyria came BEFORE Babylon. So, Assyria was not mentioned in Daniel. I know who the E.U. is (the 10) because its my calling.  Its rather obvious tbh. The come out of the Fourth Beasts Head.

14 hours ago, Diaste said:

Rev 17:10 doesn't name a single kingdom, empire, realm or any ruler. 'One is' equated to Rome is apart from any evidence. It's a necessary component of pretrib fantasy, though I don't know why. 

5 Had FALLEN, tells us all we need to know, we know who the 5 were who ruled or Beasted over Israel, no other nations ever did, its a historical fact my friend. When 5 have fallen and ONE IS (Rome) all we have to do is count the 5 who ruled over Israel and the MSR previously. Again, the Pre Trib is fact, you let everything else escape you just to try and hold on to that which is not true, the Church will not be here during the 70th week. Anyone who can not get that simple thing correct, I do not trust much of what they tell me about Eschatology because there is no way you can ever grasp the TIMING TELLS without understanding the Pre Trib Rapture. Its just not possible. 

14 hours ago, Diaste said:

Here is the oft ignored problem with the pretrib assumption of Rome:

"The beast that was, and now is not, is an eighth king, who belongs to the other seven and is going into destruction."

The 8th has to be of the previous 7. These are also 'kings' as Revelation says, "There are also seven kings." So we are seeing kings here, not tortured logic twisting this into the 'kingdoms'. Rome here doesn't work. If the time of the giving of Revelation is 65 AD then we don't have 7 kings; Nero was the 5th Roman emperor. If Revelation was given in 95 AD then Domitian was the emperor and he is the 10th after Augustus. 

Rev. 12, 13 and 17 gives us three different Beasts, two are Demons.

We have the Dragon Beast which is a Demon named Lucifer right?

We have a Man Beast who is the coming Anti-Christ/Little Horn.

We have the Scarlet Colored Beast who is a Demon, not a man !!

No MAN can be OF THE 7 and an 8th, men only live 70-100 years at best. So, the 8th is a demon whom God placed in the bottomless pit, not some human being who will return again. 

So, Satan has CROWNS in Rev 12 because earth is his Kingdom. The Earthly 7th Beast has CROWNS on the 10 Horns because he will be a King over the E.U. But the Scarlet Colored Beast has NO CROWNS because neither is he over Satan, nor is he a human who can rule on this earth via Kingdoms, BUT.........Alas he does have one kingdom, but it is not on this earth, its at the Bottomless Pit, thus this Demon was placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region  by Satan (a Principality in high places so to speak). He was thus over Egypt and tried to destroy Israel via the Pharoah, he was over Assyria and toted off 10 Tribes, he was over Babylon and toted Israel into bondage for 70 years. He was over Persia but God intervened with Cyrus Himself to give Israel favor. He was over Greece after he RESISTED Michael for 21 days, he then tried to wipe out the Jews via Antiochus. Then he was over Rome, and wiped out Jerusalem in 70 AD and toted off the Jews unto the whole world, Israel called this Demon "The Destroyer" or by the Greek name Apollyon. He is the 8th King (a king of the Pit) who was of the 7 in that he was over the 6 I mentioned above, then  via the Mortal Wound the Beast System went away during the Church Age, he was LOCKED up in the Pit for nigh 2000 years.  Then at the 1st Woe he will be released, he will then be placed over the Anti-Christ Beast System, thus he is a king himself (an 8th) and he is "OF THE SEVEN".

This has nothing to do with the Pre Trib Rapture except there can be no new Beast System until AFTER the Church is Raptured to Heaven Pre Trib/Pre 70th week.

We are NOT seeing 7 Kings, we are seeing 7 Kings who FALL do not miss that very important point !! Each Kingdom of course will have only ONE KING at the realm when the fall, or cease being a Dominant Kingdom, so lets nit miss they are 7 Kings who FALL. Thus the 7 Mountains are the Kings who ARISE, Like King Nebuchadnezzar etc. etc. So, of all of these Kingdoms only ONE will have a King who both ARISES and FALLS, and that will be the Anti-Christ whose Kingdom only lasts for 42 months as the Beast.

Rev. 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.(False Religion intertwined with False Beast Kingdoms of rule)

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is(Rome and it FALLS LATER, the Mortal Wound), and the other(A.C.) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space (ONLY 42 months thus he is the ONLY King that bot Arises and Falls as The Beast, this is why the Last Beast is a MAN ONLY).

11 And the beast that was(Apollyon), and is not(Apollyon is in the Bottomless Pit now), even he is the eighth, and is of the seven(He will only be of ALL, SEVEN when he is released at the 1st Woe), and goeth into perdition.

Apollyon is the one who will be allowed to kill the Two-witnesses.

The ONE THAT WAS was Rome, the 7th who is YET TO COME will be the The Little Horn/Anti-Christ. Who is still yet to come.

The 7 have zero do do with Roman Emperors per se, EXCEPT the one who eventually fell. You are conflating the ones who fell as being all Roman Kings it seems. 

14 hours ago, Diaste said:

The 8th then would have to be Vitellius, who lasted 8 months. Otho could fit for the "the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while." since he lasted 3 months before committing suicide. That would still leave Vitellius as the 8th but he does not fit the prophecy at all, to wit: "The beast that was, and now is not, is an eighth king, who belongs to the other seven and is going into destruction."

Vespasian's troop murdered Vitellius after only 8 months. 

You have conflated the scriptures here brother. Its not about Roman Emperors at all. Apollyon a Demon is the Beast who WAS and now IS NOT (he's in the pit) but who will be over the coming Anti-Christ after he is released at the 1st Woe.

14 hours ago, Diaste said:

Further, how would it work is this was Rome and "There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while." is equivalent to kingdoms? Would that not mean Rome would have to fall 5 times, rise again[one is], then fall again, then rise[the 7th], remain for a short time[whatever that means] and then rise a final time as the 8th? 

I see where you get conflated, its 5 Kings who fell, because each kingdom has (of course) ONE MAN at the helm when the Kingdom finally falls. God did this on purpose, he wants us to understand the LAST BEAST will be a LONE MAN, not a Kingdom, thus as Daniel 7the four Beasts were originally Four Kings who AROSE.

Dan. 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

So, each Beast were of course originally ONE KING, then they only became Kingdoms when other kings came to the fore. Likewise each Kingdom had ONE KING at the helm when they fell. So, all 6 were Beasts Kingdoms started by ONE MAN, and all 6 wouLd have ONE MAN at the helm when they fell, not non of the 6 had the same man who both Arose & Fell did they? That is why all were eventually called Beast Kingdoms. See where this is going? But, this last Beast Kingdom has ONE MAN (a Mountain of Power) who both ARISES and who also FALLS, thus it is NOT a Beast Kingdom, the ONE MAN is the Beast hence the number 666 is meant to tell us the Last Beast is a man !! In general, 6 means man, so the number 666 emphasizes the Last Beast will be ONE MAN. This has zero to do with Roman Emperors brother. Except the 6th Beast had one Emperor/King at the helm at some point when they fell also. Prophecy is meant by God to be hard to understand brother.

15 hours ago, Diaste said:

Sure did. Jews were still in the land when Islam ruled the known world. This idea that the Diaspora evacuated every living Israeli and Jew from Israel and Jerusalem is hoping in fool's gold. 

You can't justify this thought process brother. Yes, one Jew was on the land at that time, or was it 5 Jews. It is just way out there kind of stuff. God stated that Israel were Dead Men's Bones, there was no Israel, God states that factoid. Israel were never ruled by Islam as a Nation, come on man. Stop coming to a conclusion, then trying to fit the scriptures to fit a conclusion. It never works.

15 hours ago, Diaste said:

No. I was only comparing an interesting point that seems to fit with scriptural fact.

Then you must understand Rome is the Fourth Beast of Iron.

15 hours ago, Diaste said:

Absolutely incorrect. Read it all, pastor.

"And in their place, he will honor a god of fortresses—a god his fathers did not know"- Dan 11:38.

The willful king, "will show no regard for the gods of his fathers"

He will then, "honor a god of fortresses—a god his fathers did not know".

Definitely not atheistic. 

Which simple means a War Machine, he will honor the god of fortress simply means he believes in war machines. He will be an Atheist, no person who honors another god makes people worship them as a god like the Anti-Christ does. 

15 hours ago, Diaste said:

I don't miss the point. I reject your conclusions; like the point above about the beast being an atheist. Outlandish supposition.

Well, you do and did miss the point, only those who are BEASTED OVER are being spoken of, notice Greece never ruled over Rome per se, and a lot of the lands Greece ruled over Rome never ruled over. It's about the Mediterranean Sea Region, that is why the Great Sea is referenced, Babylon was not on the Great Sea but were still a Beast. Persia was not on the Great Sea either. The Last Beast Kingdom will be the E.U. conquering the Mediterranean Sea Region only, read Dan. 11:40-43 it shows us this. The A.C. will not rule the whole earth. 

15 hours ago, Diaste said:

Never said Assyria was or is. 

On 4/2/2023 at 2:39 PM, Revelation Man said:

Which means it can only be Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome, that is the point. (And then the 5th Beast A.C. of course)

15 hours ago, Diaste said:

AE IV is Seleucid. A Syrian king. Cassander did not give birth to AE. AE IV is a grandson of Seleucus 1 Nicator. Gimme a break and do some reading of history. 

He was born in Greece however, not Turkey. The KOTN vs. the KOTS is all that matters, the last KOTN will be born in Greece and come to power in the E.U. and he will attack Egypt/North Africa. He will not be from Turkey. Dan. 8:9 and Dan. 7:7-8 have to both come to pass. A man with Assyrian blood will be born in Greece just like Antiochus was born in Greece and he will also come to power out of the Fourth Beast (E.U.). Both Beast Kingdoms existed at the SAME TIME and the Last Beast comes out of BOTH of them. Hmmm, I wonder why? 

15 hours ago, Diaste said:

Right.

Perfecto analysis 

15 hours ago, Diaste said:

No. You apply need here, not facts.

On 4/2/2023 at 2:39 PM, Revelation Man said:

These are prophetic facts brother. People understanding them or not understanding them changes nothing.

15 hours ago, Diaste said:

No. It just says, 'from one of these' 

 

And then in a simple Four Way Directional Box we get the directions he conquers TOWARDS. God made it so simple.

15 hours ago, Diaste said:

I don't know how you can be comfortable proclaiming Rome! Greece! when the prophecy of Dan 11 follows the lineage of the Seleucid Kings. 

Because the Anti-Christ like Antiochus will be a Greek born King or Ruler. He however can only come to power in the E.U. because Greece is currently in the E.U. Pretty basic stuff tbh.

15 hours ago, Diaste said:

Seleucid kings. AE IV is Seleucid and Syrian. He literally ruled Syria as King.

He was most likely born in Greece !! Corinth was his homeland, but a lot of people say he was born in Rome and raised in Greece, he was however not born in Turkey. He died in Iran via a disease or WITHOUT HANDS. Stop looking at where he ruled, it has zero to do with anything. The KOTN just has to be north of Egypt. 

15 hours ago, Diaste said:

Wrong. Antigonus had the support the reunite Greece. That's why Seleucid and Ptolemy joined forces and killed him, installing Lysimachus.

That is not the point, we all know that, out of the Four Kingdoms only those three I mentioned became powers over the long haul. As you stated, he was defeated early on.

15 hours ago, Diaste said:

But you are immune? lol

 

This is my calling and I understand how to wait on the Lord for instructions, I waited 30 years, I did not just run around guessing and reading other men's theories. 

God Bless.

Don't get to caught up in the whole "You are incorrect" portions via Prophecy. As long as we live by Faith in Jesus; righteousness, we are still on the correct path. I understand everyone likes to dabble in Prophecy, but not all are called, so I get all kind of theories. But, I have to tell them when they are right, and when they are wrong or I am not doing my job. It is what it is.