A new temple

[Vine Abider]

3 hours ago, bloom said:

When speaking of the Temple Mount you do know the United Nations controls by law what goes on there, right?

I didn't know that (documentation?) but found this: https://www.jpost.com/international/129-nations-ignore-jewish-ties-to-temple-mount-call-it-solely-muslim-687592

The United Nations General Assembly approved a resolution 129-11 on Wednesday that disavowed Jewish ties to the Temple Mount and called it solely by its Muslim name of al-Haram al-Sharif.

The text, referred to as the “Jerusalem resolution,” is part of a push by the Palestinian Authority and the Arab states across the UN system to rebrand Judaism’s most holy site as an exclusively Islamic one.

 

Also this:https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-sep-23-mn-25326-story.html

JERUSALEM —  

A once-unthinkable proposal to turn over the Temple Mount in Jerusalem’s Old City to United Nations authority is being resurrected in an attempt to breathe new life into peace talks between the Israelis and Palestinians, officials from several nations said Friday.

The proposal, which Israel is said to now favor but Palestinians so far oppose, comes as American officials struggle for ways to salvage negotiations and set the Middle East on the road to a definitive peace. Within the next few days, Israeli and Palestinian negotiators are awaiting a U.S. draft of “bridging proposals” designed to bring the two sides closer.

But I didn't see anything that says the UN actually controls it.

[bloom]

6 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

I didn't know that (documentation?) but found this: https://www.jpost.com/international/129-nations-ignore-jewish-ties-to-temple-mount-call-it-solely-muslim-687592

The United Nations General Assembly approved a resolution 129-11 on Wednesday that disavowed Jewish ties to the Temple Mount and called it solely by its Muslim name of al-Haram al-Sharif.

The text, referred to as the “Jerusalem resolution,” is part of a push by the Palestinian Authority and the Arab states across the UN system to rebrand Judaism’s most holy site as an exclusively Islamic one.

 

Also this:https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-sep-23-mn-25326-story.html

JERUSALEM —  

A once-unthinkable proposal to turn over the Temple Mount in Jerusalem’s Old City to United Nations authority is being resurrected in an attempt to breathe new life into peace talks between the Israelis and Palestinians, officials from several nations said Friday.

The proposal, which Israel is said to now favor but Palestinians so far oppose, comes as American officials struggle for ways to salvage negotiations and set the Middle East on the road to a definitive peace. Within the next few days, Israeli and Palestinian negotiators are awaiting a U.S. draft of “bridging proposals” designed to bring the two sides closer.

But I didn't see anything that says the UN actually controls it.

general assembly resolution 303 1949

[Jaydub]

16 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

The third Jewish Temple will not be built until the Millennium. (Ez. 40- 48). The Temple that the A/C desecrates will just be the Temple that the Jews worship in now. 

Rev 21:22

I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

How can there be a millennial temple, if God almighty and the lamb are its temple

If God is not in something can it be Holy?

If it is not Holy can it be desegregated?

[Marilyn C]

55 minutes ago, Jaydub said:

Rev 21:22

I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

How can there be a millennial temple, if God almighty and the lamb are its temple

If God is not in something can it be Holy?

If it is not Holy can it be desegregated?

HI Jay,

You have referred to the NHNE and the New Jerusalem. The prophet Ezekiel reveals that in the millennium that the third Temple will be built and God`s glory will be over it. (Ez. 43: 2)

We read about the prince who will give his sons their inheritance when he dies. (Ez. 46: 16)

[Jaydub]

23 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

HI Jay,

You have referred to the NHNE and the New Jerusalem. The prophet Ezekiel reveals that in the millennium that the third Temple will be built and God`s glory will be over it. (Ez. 43: 2)

We read about the prince who will give his sons their inheritance when he dies. (Ez. 46: 16)

Maybe you can help me. I really don't understand how people believe there will be another earthly temple. what do you do with 2 Peter 3:10 and 11

¹⁰ But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.^[a]

¹¹ Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

If the day of the Lord brings destruction, how can there be an earthly temple. There must be a new earth and a new heaven after Christs return

if we are all changed in a twinkling of the eye when Christ returns, why would there be a physical earth. There are two types of people, believers and non believers. Believers are changed into our incorruptible bodies and non believers are judged. I don't understand how or why people see a physical earth after the day of the Lord 

 

[Marilyn C]

43 minutes ago, Jaydub said:

Maybe you can help me. I really don't understand how people believe there will be another earthly temple. what do you do with 2 Peter 3:10 and 11

¹⁰ But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.^[a]

¹¹ Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

If the day of the Lord brings destruction, how can there be an earthly temple. There must be a new earth and a new heaven after Christs return

if we are all changed in a twinkling of the eye when Christ returns, why would there be a physical earth. There are two types of people, believers and non believers. Believers are changed into our incorruptible bodies and non believers are judged. I don't understand how or why people see a physical earth after the day of the Lord 

 

Hi Jay,

Thank you for asking so nicely. Yes, it can seem to be a bit confusing, however, when we know the 3 Prophetic days of God, then it becomes clearer. Here is a diagram and some notes. Hope they are helpful, and if you need more explanation, please ask.

In Hebrew and Greek the word ` Day, ` refers to a period of time and a specific day. Thus context is important to know which.

1. The Day of Christ. (Phil. 1: 6 - 10) 1 Cor. 1: 7 & 8)

This period of time is not only the first in chronological order of fulfilment, but is the greatest in importance in the Divine predestinations. Each reference relates entirely and exclusively to the Church, the Body of Christ, in the specific time-slot identified with the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. It signifies completion of the highest of God`s purposes, the supreme expression of Divine revelation.

All other expressions of His ordinations are dependent on its completion.

2. The Day of the LORD. (1 Thess. 5: 2 - 9, 2 Peter 3: 10)

This has to do with Israel and the nations and is invariably connected with the wrath of God poured out in judgment on an unbelieving world. It refers to that period of time from the termination of `The Day of Christ,` through the tribulation and millennium and terminating with the creation of the new heavens and earth which precludes `The Day of God. `

3. The Day of God. (2 Peter 3: 11 & 12)

The Day when God will purge and purify the heavens and the earth by fire. Peter is the only one who uses the phrase, `The Day of God.` (It concludes `The Day of the LORD. `)

[Marilyn C]

37 minutes ago, Jaydub said:

Maybe you can help me. I really don't understand how people believe there will be another earthly temple. what do you do with 2 Peter 3:10 and 11

¹⁰ But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.^[a]

¹¹ Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

If the day of the Lord brings destruction, how can there be an earthly temple. There must be a new earth and a new heaven after Christs return

if we are all changed in a twinkling of the eye when Christ returns, why would there be a physical earth. There are two types of people, believers and non believers. Believers are changed into our incorruptible bodies and non believers are judged. I don't understand how or why people see a physical earth after the day of the Lord 

 

Hi Jay,

Just to add - when Christ returns at the end of the trib, He delivers Israel and judges the nations that did not look after Israel. It is NOT the final Great White Thone Judgment.

You see God still has purposes for Israel and the nations. The Body of Christ is only part of God`s eternal purposes. 

God purposed that Israel would rule the nations and teach them the ways of the Lord. Israel rebelled, but God will still work out His purpose for them in the millennium. (Micah 4: 1 - 3) 

We are not the center of God`s word, Christ is and His purposes for - the Body of Christ, for Israel and the Nations. When you realise that then God`s word becomes so much clearer.

regards, Marilyn.

[Jaydub]

On 4/4/2023 at 8:35 PM, Marilyn C said:

Just to add - when Christ returns at the end of the trib, He delivers Israel and judges the nations that did not look after Israel. It is NOT the final Great White Thone Judgment.

You see God still has purposes for Israel and the nations. The Body of Christ is only part of God`s eternal purposes. 

Thank you for your reply, but I don't think we will be able to agree, based on your chart and its time line. ( rapture). We wont be able to agree on almost anything in revelation.

I would like to ask something about the above quote though, you said God still has a purpose for Israel and the nations after Christs return

It looks to me like your saying, when Christ returns for his church (rapture) if your not ready you get a second chance to be ready at his second coming, but even here it seems your saying the nations will get another chance, they wont be judged unil the great white throne 

The way I see it is, we have one chance to be ready our death or his second coming which ever comes first.

 

 

[Marilyn C]

17 minutes ago, Jaydub said:

Thank you for your reply, but I don't think we will be able to agree, based on your chart and its time line. ( rapture). We wont be able to agree on almost anything in revelation.

I would like to ask something about the above quote though, you said God still has a purpose for Israel and the nations after Christs return

It looks to me like your saying, when Christ returns for his church (rapture) if your not ready you get a second chance to be ready at his second coming, but even here it seems your saying the nations will get another chance, they wont be judged unil the great white throne 

The way I see it is, we have one chance to be ready our death or his second coming which ever comes first.

 

 

There is always mercy until someone dies. At the moment, by believing in the Lord for our salvation we are placed in the Body of Christ. (1 Cor. 12: 18) However, when the Body has been brought to maturity, (Eph. 4: 13) then that purpose will be completed.

Israel and the nations will still be on the earth, and they have an earthly purpose. (Rev. 21: 24) God`s hand of mercy is still outstretched in the trib, (see the great multitude that no one can number - Rev. 7: 9 & 14) and others. 

We are NOT the center of God`s purposes, Christ is and what He is doing for those groups He has made - the Body of Christ, for Israel and the Nations. Each group will have a place under the Lord`s rulership from on high.

 

[Jaydub]

On 4/5/2023 at 6:59 PM, Marilyn C said:

Israel and the nations will still be on the earth, and they have an earthly purpose

Rev 19:17-18

Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of everyone slave and free, small and great.”

But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.

when Christ returns, there is no second or third chances

On 4/5/2023 at 6:59 PM, Marilyn C said:

 

But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.

On 4/5/2023 at 6:59 PM, Marilyn C said:

God`s hand of mercy is still outstretched in the trib, (see the great multitude that no one can number - Rev. 7: 9 & 14) and others. 

The number that no one can count is not on this earth. That is a picture Of Gods throne, its a picture of all Gods people. Jew and gentile, that's why it can't be counted, its all his people. Old testament saints, New testament saints. Its the true Israel all believers