When will the Judgment Seat of Christ (BEMA) occur?

[ChristB4us]

33 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

First, there is NO mention of a resurrection and trip to heaven in Scripture.  And the Bible clearly places the singular resurrection of all believers at the Second Advent.

1 Cor 15:23, 2 Thess 2:1, Rev 20:4-6.  The dots are easy to connect.

Just one hiccup in how you list all those references to mean, brother.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Explain the order if there is only one resurrection as if only happening at His coming?

Note how Christ the firstfruits <-- plural, as being resurrected as in being made alive first in that order before they that be Christ's at His coming?

[Cntrysner]

54 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Right, we are not OF this world, be we surely are IN this world, as long as we are physically alive.

Col 3:1-10 was written to warn Christians.  And v.6 specifically mentions God's wrath.

The Father has removed us from the flesh (Col 2:11)) (physical) but you aren't?

Eph 2:5  Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 
Eph 2:6  And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 
Eph 2:7  That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 

Edited April 11, 2023 by Cntrysner

[chesed]

8 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

God's wrath is toward sin.  Believers sin.  Just look across the ocean of evangelism in the world today.  Is there unity?  Hardly.  Is there a solid testimony?  Not according to the Barna polls that have been done.  A high percentage of believers live not much differently than unbelievers.

Unlike Barna, I don't equate Christendom with true born again regenerate believers.

2 Timothy 2:19 ESV
But God's firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity."

8 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

I've given you very clear verses about WHEN the singular resurrection of the saved will occur.  And you have done nothing to disprove or refute my understanding.  All you've done is disagree.  And all without any evidence on your side.

That's fine, no one is forcing you to converse. Apparently you have your mind made up already.

[chesed]

4 hours ago, Cntrysner said:

Well said and it amazes me that some look forward to a judgment seat to receive crowns or to be elevated above other believers not realizing the rewards they seek at judgment will have a dark side revealing their sin (good or bad) which will bring them under wrath.
Our inheritance in Christ is more than kings and priests for we in Christ are the sons and daughters of God in Christ and there is no higher reward.
 

Yes, some 'believers' still haven't begun to see the depths of their own depravity. They still think they can 'pull off' this Christian walk by their own self determination and apart from God's grace.

[BibleWords]

On 4/9/2023 at 6:31 AM, FreeGrace said:

I quoted that verse to show that all believers will be resurrected "when He comes".  Other verses, which I quoted, show the Bema to be "when He comes".

Wait for it.

Again, wait for it.

"Reward" is in that verse, and if you would reade 1 Cor 5:10, you would realize that the believer's reward will be at the Bema.  Or prove me wrong by clear verses that say otherwise.  

Again, mention of "reward" means the Bema, and it will be on earth at the Second Advent.

Second Advent.  

OK, it seems you are just trying real hard to NOT connect any dots.  So I'll help you out.  "His appearing" is obviously a reference to His Second Advent.  And that is what "that day" refers to.  And "the Lord, the righteous JUDGE" refers to the Judgment Seat of Christ, which in the Greek is Bema.  So, instead of just being "close", I nailed the bullseye.  And you aren't even trying.

So you have no idea yourself, and it doesn't matter to you?  Well, ok if that's no issue to you.

But, for the many who have been taught in error that the Bema takes place in heaven right after the "pre-trib rapture" theory, which isn't found in Scripture, they need to know the Bema will happen when Jesus Christ comes back to end the tribulation, and set up His MK.

The Bema seat, or Judgement Seat Of Christ, absolutely happens immediately after the pre-trib rapture. 
Rev. 4:1 is indicating the rapture and the church is not mentioned again on earth after that until Christ comes to set up His Millennial Kingdom, bringing His church with Him.

The white robes given to believers following the rapture are given at the Judgement Seat Of Christ.  These are the wedding garments in preparation for the wedding of Christ to His bride.  Then follows the marriage supper of the Lamb, typified by the traditional Jewish wedding in the Father’s house.  John 14:1-4

All of this happens in heaven after the rapture.  Seven years of tribulation on earth, while believers are at the wedding and marriage supper in heaven in the Father’s house.  Then Jesus will come again to set up His Kingdom on earth, bringing His church with Him.

The church is not appointed for the time of God’s wrath.

[chesed]

Let's look at this in context...

2 Corinthians 5:8-10 NKJV
We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. [9] Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. [10] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

For the last 2000 years, where are those who have died in Christ?

There is no indication from this passage, that the Bema (Judgment Seat) takes place on the earth, rather, in context it is in heaven.

[Keras]

5 hours ago, chesed said:

There is no indication from this passage, that the Bema (Judgment Seat) takes place on the earth, rather, in context it is in heaven.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of Man comes in all His glory......He will gather and Judge the nations..... Jesus comes back to the earth and the nations are not in heaven. 

I suggest you retract your assertion above. 

[Keras]

7 hours ago, BibleWords said:

The Bema seat, or Judgement Seat Of Christ, absolutely happens immediately after the pre-trib rapture. 

Another wrong statement, made to suit a preconceived belief. 

The faithful 'sheep' take possession of the Kingdom, made ready for them since the world was made.  Matthew 25:34

[FreeGrace]

14 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

  FreeGrace said: 

First, there is NO mention of a resurrection and trip to heaven in Scripture.  And the Bible clearly places the singular resurrection of all believers at the Second Advent.

1 Cor 15:23, 2 Thess 2:1, Rev 20:4-6.  The dots are easy to connect.

Just one hiccup in how you list all those references to mean, brother.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Explain the order if there is only one resurrection as if only happening at His coming?

I'll be glad to cure your hiccups.  I said there is ONE resurrection of all saved people.  Maybe you just missed that fact by reading too fast.

1 Cor 15:23 shows that Jesus receives the FIRST resurrection body, followed by "those who belong to Him" which will occur "when He comes".

So, can you prove that "those who belong to Him" doesn't mean ALL saved people?

And, can you prove that "when He comes" doesn't mean the Second Advent?

See?  No more hiccups!  You're welcome.

14 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

Note how Christ the firstfruits <-- plural, as being resurrected as in being made alive first in that order before they that be Christ's at His coming?

Actually, not "plural" at all, unless you can prove from Scripture that Jesus has or will receive TWO resurrection bodies.

If you want to strain about what is plural, consider that "when He comes" (2nd Advent) ALL believers will be resurrected.  There's your plural.

[FreeGrace]

14 hours ago, Cntrysner said:

FreeGrace said: 

Right, we are not OF this world, be we surely are IN this world, as long as we are physically alive.

Col 3:1-10 was written to warn Christians.  And v.6 specifically mentions God's wrath.

The Father has removed us from the flesh (Col 2:11)) (physical) but you aren't?

I'm certainly NOT aware of what you think Col 2:11 says.  If you have been "removed from the flesh", just what are YOU made of then?  I'm sure the next time you have a doctor's visit, you'll really stir up some interest.

Col 2:11 -  In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ,

This says NOTHING of which you claim it says.  Paul was teaching using metaphors to describe our new birth, by which we become "new creatures" per 2 Cor 5:17.

As to "the flesh", Paul said that what was "put off" was being "ruled by the flesh".  Paul said nothing about being "removed from the flesh".  

Look at your forearm.  Pinch it.  Hard.  Did you feel it?  Now, use a sharp knife and make a cut.  See the blood?  You yourself are IN the flesh.  But Paul doesn't want you to be "ruled by the flesh".  Comprendo?

14 hours ago, Cntrysner said:

Eph 2:5  Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 
Eph 2:6  And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 
Eph 2:7  That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 

v.5 speaks to our new birth.

v.6 speaks of our union in Christ.

v.7 speaks of eternity.