The apocalypse of Buddy the Mouse

[Retrobyter]

17 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Jerusalem and Israel is being slowly destroyed now.

Who is the desolator?

Shalom, Desopixi Seilynam. You're right, but this has been happening to Jerusalem and Israel, the children of Israel, particularly the Jews (the children of Yhudah or Judah) for almost 2,000 years now! There's no one "desolator." They have been and still are attacked by several sources. THIS is the "Great Tribulation!" It's been going on for almost 2,000 years! It is the "Time of Jacob's Trouble!"

17 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

What is the consummation?

Consummation means "the completion; the END." That will happen when they FINALLY welcome Him back at YHWH'S Anointed One, the RIGHTFUL Heir to David's Throne!

17 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

If the Messiah is the one destroying, we should read about actual destruction that He caused when here.

No, the Messiah is not the One destroying; He has simply LEFT them desolate!

They are being punished for the rejection of their King by YHWH God Himself. They have been put in chains and dragged off to different parts of the Roman Empire; they were in the Roman persecutions as much as the Christians were! Indeed, the first Christians WERE Jews!

See Expulsion_Judios for a map.

They have been chased from country to country throughout Europe and Asia! They faced the Inquisitions; they faced the Crusades! In fact, because some didn't want to travel all the way to "Palestine" and fight for the Church, they would find pockets of Jews and Arabs in Europe, and persecute them, instead! They faced the Russian Pogroms. They've been labeled, "Christ-killers" by several in the "Church" even such renowned figures as Augustine, Ambrose of Milan, John Chrysostom, Tertulian, St. Jerome, Ambrose bishop of Mediolanum, Bernard of Clairvaux, Pope Paul IV, Martin Luther, Pope Pius VII, William Bell Riley, Billy Graham, Richard Nixon, Mordecai Ham, and John Hagee to name a few.

Just the same, they are STILL loved for the fathers' sakes! God has PROTECTED them through it all, and God will still gather them together before the end! 

Yeeshuwa` was born "King of the Jews," and He died with that written above His head on the cross! When He returns, He will be "the Lion of the Tribe of Judah," and He will reign in Jerusalem over the Jews, then over all Israel, and then one by one, all the nations until He is the World Emperor - the King of kings and Master of masters!

17 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

The verse in Matthew 23:37-39 does not describe Him actually making anything desolate.

Daniel says "in the middle of the captivity he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease,
and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolator."

NO! Sorry, but this is WRONGLY translated. It is "that determined (decreed) shall be poured upon the DESOLATE!" The children of Israel, particularly the Jews ARE the "DESOLATE!"

Furthermore, Yeeshuwa` DID " in the middle of the WEEK, cause the sacrifice and the oblation (gift) to cease!" He was the LAST Sacrifice that God would accept! Any "sacrifices" performed after Him were mere slaughterings. If GOD doesn't accept them, then they have NO efficacy!

He denounced the "overspreading of abominations" that the scribes and Pharisees committed in the bulk of Matthew 23! And, THAT was when He left them DESOLATE! FORTY YEARS LATER, the Temple was destroyed!

The last Week, the 70th Week, started with the offer of the Kingdom presented by the Messiah to His people, His own tribe, the Jews! ONLY half of that Week was fulfilled. Yeeshuwa`, rejected and soon to be crucified, left them DESOLATE until they can say, "Baruwkh haba' b-shem YHWH!" (בָּר֣וּךְ הַ֭בָּא בְּשֵׁ֣ם יְהוָ֑ה)  "Welcome, Comer in-the-authority of-YHWH!"

17 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

The Messiahs death and resurrection was the end of needing to sacrifice.
In Daniel it is after the actual sacrifice and oblation cease that desolation happens by 'him'.

After the Messiah died and rose again, sacrifices remained.
It was not until the destruction of the temple in 70 a.d., the beginning of a captivity, that sacrifices stopped.

Well, 70 A.D. was when the desolation was REALIZED, but they were given 40 years to repent! Just the same He left them "desolate" right before He went into the Olivet Discourse! THINK ABOUT HIS WORDS!

Matthew 23:1-39 (KJV)

1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying,

"The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi!' 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters (teachers): for one is your Master (Teacher), even Christ (the Messiah). 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

13 "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites (fakes)! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 

14 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

16 "Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, 'Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!' 17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? 18 And, 'Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.' 19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift (oblation), or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? 20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. 21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. 22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

23 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

25 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

29 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 30 And say, 'If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.' 31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets! 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers! 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 "Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 BEHOLD, your house is left unto you DESOLATE! 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, 'Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the LORD.' (Psalm 118:26)."

 

17 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Your interpretation does not fully address the last part of verse 27, and does not fit with everything it says.

If 'he' is the Messiah, the one making it desolate, then your saying the Messiah is the desolator
which makes the place desolate until the consummation, and then something would be poured upon the Messiah.

We know from other scripture that the consummation is the return of the Messiah,
therefore the view that 'he' does not refer to the anti-Christ
falls short of explaining all of verse 27.

Right.

"and that determined shall be poured upon the desolator"

Who therefore can not be the Messiah, we understand from Revelation 19:20-21
what is poured, fire, and who the desolator is; the false prophet, one pretending to be Jesus.

Hopefully, I've just answered all this. Good night.

[bloom]

3 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, bloom.

Yes, it was long, but not much was written by me specifically. Most of it were quotes from Scripture to make the points.

Yes, Shlomoh was human, after all, and he FAILED to follow the three rules for kings of Israel:

Deuteronomy 17:14-17 (KJV)

14 "When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say,

"'I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me' ; 

15 "Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother. 16 But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you,

"'Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.' 

17 "Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold."

Solomon did all these things, and he multiplied to himself horses, wives, and wealth, as well as sending his people down to Egypt for these things!

First, that's PRECISELY what the people demanded of Sh'mu'eel ("Samuel") in 1 Samuel 8:

1 Samuel 8:4-5 (KJV)

4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, 5 And said unto him,

"Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations."

Then, we read of Shlomoh's disobedience to Mosheh's ("Moses'") commands:

1 Kings 4:26-28 (KJV)

26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen. 27 And those officers provided victual for king Solomon, and for all that came unto king Solomon's table, every man in his month: they lacked nothing. 28 Barley also and straw for the horses and dromedaries brought they unto the place where the officers were, every man according to his charge.

1 Kings 10:14-21 (KJV)

14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold, 15 Beside that he had of the merchantmen, and of the traffick of the spice merchants, and of all the kings of Arabia, and of the governors of the country. 16 And king Solomon made two hundred targets of beaten gold: six hundred shekels of gold went to one target. 17 And he made three hundred shields of beaten gold; three pound of gold went to one shield: and the king put them in the house of the forest of Lebanon. 18 Moreover the king made a great throne of ivory, and overlaid it with the best gold. 19 The throne had six steps, and the top of the throne was round behind: and there were stays on either side on the place of the seat, and two lions stood beside the stays. 20 And twelve lions stood there on the one side and on the other upon the six steps: there was not the like made in any kingdom. 21 And all king Solomon's drinking vessels were of gold, and all the vessels of the house of the forest of Lebanon were of pure gold; none were of silver: it was nothing accounted of in the days of Solomon.

1 Kings 10:26-29 (KJV)

26 And Solomon gathered together chariots and horsemen: and he had a thousand and four hundred chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen, whom he bestowed in the cities for chariots, and with the king at Jerusalem. 27 And the king made silver to be in Jerusalem as stones, and cedars made he to be as the sycomore trees that are in the vale, for abundance. 28 And Solomon had horses brought out of Egypt, and linen yarn: the king's merchants received the linen yarn at a price. 29 And a chariot came up and went out of Egypt for six hundred shekels of silver, and an horse for an hundred and fifty: and so for all the kings of the Hittites, and for the kings of Syria, did they bring them out by their means.

1 Kings 11:1-8 (KJV)

1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites; 2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel,

"Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods":

Solomon clave unto these in love. 3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart. 4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. 5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. 7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. 8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.

This is why we know it was not Shlomoh ("Solomon") who was the Seed promised to David in the Davidic Covenant that God made unconditionally with David who would be the LORD'S Anointed, YHWH'S Maashiyach, His Messiah, His Christ!

That does NOT mean that the Messiah Yeeshuwa` the Son of God will not fulfill all the promises made to David!

I think you meant that the beast would be "CONSUMED by the return of Yeeshuwa`," and that is true.

Finally, YES. David is still sleeping until the Resurrection of those who belong to the Messiah. Peter said on the Day of Pentecost, the 50th day after Pesach or Passover, and after the Resurrection and Ascension of our Lord,

Acts 2:29-36 (KJV)

29 "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne [the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7 and 1 Chronicles 17]; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that "his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption" (Psalm 16:10). 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34 "For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself,

"'The LORD (YHWH) said unto my Lord (my Sire), "Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool." (Psalm 110:1)'

36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord (Master; Ruler) and Christ (Messiah, the One Anointed to be King)."

Thank you Roy, the scriptures are a shining light. I was referring to the false prophet though, I believe he will be like Solomon and have the ear of Jews, Christians, and Muslims at the same time. It took a long time to get here but Buddy the mouse is correct, "The end will come like a flood."  

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, bloom said:

Thank you Roy, the scriptures are a shining light. I was referring to the false prophet though, I believe he will be like Solomon and have the ear of Jews, Christians, and Muslims at the same time. It took a long time to get here but Buddy the mouse is correct, "The end will come like a flood."  

Shalom, bloom.

Actually, I must take exception with the one word, "LIKE." This would involve the kaf "k-" prefix in Hebrew, but that prepositional prefix is not there. Here's the Hebrew of verse 26:

וְאַחֲרֵ֤י הַשָּׁבֻעִים֙ שִׁשִּׁ֣ים וּשְׁנַ֔יִם יִכָּרֵ֥ת מָשִׁ֖יחַ וְאֵ֣ין לֹ֑ו וְהָעִ֨יר וְהַקֹּ֜דֶשׁ יַ֠שְׁחִית עַ֣ם נָגִ֤יד הַבָּא֙ וְקִצֹּ֣ו בַשֶּׁ֔טֶף וְעַד֙ קֵ֣ץ מִלְחָמָ֔ה נֶחֱרֶ֖צֶת שֹׁמֵמֹֽות׃

This transliterates to ...

26 V'achareey hashshaaVu`iym shishshiym uwshnayim yikaareet maashiyach v'eeyn low vhaa`iyr vhaqqodesh yashchiyt `am naagiyd habaa' vqitstsow bashsheTef v`ad qeets milchaamaah necheretset shomeemowt:

And, this translates word-for-word to ...

26 And-after the-weeks sixty and-two shall-be-cut-off Messiah and-for-Himself not and-the-city and-the-Holy shall-destroy a-people of-a-prince the-comer and-the-end-of-it in-a-flood and-until an-end of-a-war are-determined desolations:

The prefix for "like" is not in the text. One may read @George's recent Worthy Brief (dated 4/20/2023). Israel is susceptible to flash flooding!

[bloom]

8 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, bloom.

Actually, I must take exception with the one word, "LIKE." This would involve the kaf "k-" prefix in Hebrew, but that prepositional prefix is not there. Here's the Hebrew of verse 26:

וְאַחֲרֵ֤י הַשָּׁבֻעִים֙ שִׁשִּׁ֣ים וּשְׁנַ֔יִם יִכָּרֵ֥ת מָשִׁ֖יחַ וְאֵ֣ין לֹ֑ו וְהָעִ֨יר וְהַקֹּ֜דֶשׁ יַ֠שְׁחִית עַ֣ם נָגִ֤יד הַבָּא֙ וְקִצֹּ֣ו בַשֶּׁ֔טֶף וְעַד֙ קֵ֣ץ מִלְחָמָ֔ה נֶחֱרֶ֖צֶת שֹׁמֵמֹֽות׃

This transliterates to ...

26 V'achareey hashshaaVu`iym shishshiym uwshnayim yikaareet maashiyach v'eeyn low vhaa`iyr vhaqqodesh yashchiyt `am naagiyd habaa' vqitstsow bashsheTef v`ad qeets milchaamaah necheretset shomeemowt:

And, this translates word-for-word to ...

26 And-after the-weeks sixty and-two shall-be-cut-off Messiah and-for-Himself not and-the-city and-the-Holy shall-destroy a-people of-a-prince the-comer and-the-end-of-it in-a-flood and-until an-end of-a-war are-determined desolations:

The prefix for "like" is not in the text. One may read @George's recent Worthy Brief (dated 4/20/2023). Israel is susceptible to flash flooding!

Suddenly and without warning in a time unexpected.

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, @bloom.

I should also mention that we read in ...

Revelation 16:10 (KJV)

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat (Greek: thronon = "throne") of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, 11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

So, the ruler will be the "beast" (Greek: theerion = "a wild beast; a brute"). His false prophet or lying prophet will be more like his priest or vizier.

[Retrobyter]

Just now, bloom said:

Suddenly and without warning in a time unexpected.

Shalom, bloom.

Yes. And, that suggests that we haven't seen it happen, yet. But, that doesn't change the fact that the "prince that shall come" was Titus and his people were the Romans who destroyed both the city and the sanctuary. The Sanctuary (the Temple) was destroyed in 70 A.D. The city was destroyed later after the Bar Kokhba revolt, the last of the three Jewish-Roman wars, in 132-136 A.D.

[bloom]

5 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, @bloom.

I should also mention that we read in ...

Revelation 16:10 (KJV)

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat (Greek: thronon = "throne") of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, 11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

So, the ruler will be the "beast" (Greek: theerion = "a wild beast; a brute"). His false prophet or lying prophet will be more like his priest or vizier.

Revelation 17:11 the 8th head of the beast will get 5th trumpet woe.

[bloom]

5 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, bloom.

Yes. And, that suggests that we haven't seen it happen, yet. But, that doesn't change the fact that the "prince that shall come" was Titus and his people were the Romans who destroyed both the city and the sanctuary. The Sanctuary (the Temple) was destroyed in 70 A.D. The city was destroyed later after the Bar Kokhba revolt, the last of the three Jewish-Roman wars, in 132-136 A.D.

Satan's   people were there in 70 a.d. and will be back in the last 3 1/2 years just like green figs.

[BibleWords]

On 4/12/2023 at 4:53 PM, Uriah said:

So Buddy is a Partial futurist? I'm no Preterist, but I don't see a gap either. The 70 weeks are fulfilled. The reference to Noah, and Lot are the only two used by Jesus about His second coming.

Luke 17:27- They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Luke 17:28 -Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

Luke 17:29 -But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Luke 17:30-Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Imminent? In each of these instances, God's people were not taken away until the very day that the judgment of God came down from the sky! His second coming will no different according to Jesus.

 

It is so important to see that there are two different things being discussed here.

John 14, 1Thess. 4, and 1Cor. 15  all speak of the pre-trib rapture.

The verses you are quoting from Matt.  24 and Mark 13 about the marrying and giving in marriage are describing the second coming at the end of the tribulation.  We know this because they are taken away in judgement (as Noah’s flood).

In the rapture all those taken away are caught up to meet the Lord in the air to proceed to the Father’s house where Jesus has been.These two instances cannot be confused.  When they are shoved together to make one event there is nothing but confusion.

I believe that most of the end times division and confusion comes from this unbiblical merger of these events.

Been doing this a long time and I have seen this same confusing thing.

In Christ

[kwikphilly]

On 4/11/2023 at 6:29 PM, Episcopius said:

Daniel’s 70th week has already happened.

Buddy’s eschatology is a form of Partial Preterism, which really amounts to “some but not all” of things foretold has already occurred.

A main point of Buddy’s eschatology is his asking “what is the justification of allowing a “gap” in the prophecy of Daniel’s 70 weeks”

A comparable time period of Israelites being in Egypt - about 430 years -all RAN CONCURRENTLY and is over.

So too Buddy claims Daniel’s 70 shauvim ran concurrently - from about 444 BC until the stoning of Stephen.

Buddy does not teach openly on this.

But he appears from time to time preaching the Buddyistic form of eschatology which handles the question of “parousia delay” ( parousia has come ).

The return of Christ is anytime and signless - as in the days of Noah - just as Jesus said.

Anytime, imminent and signless and no one will go through all the cities of Israel until the Son of Man be come.

 

Who is Buddy the mouse?