High-Tech Heaven

[Sower]

32 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

And the bottle gets bigger as it's contents does . .

NO, the bottle remains the same size.

Without adding details to confuse my illustration, based upon the facts given, at what time will the bottle be half filled, if the organisms replicate each minute? If you think on it, you know it will be full in exactly twenty four hours. Starting with one and doubling every minute, when will the "fixed size' bottle be half full? When you discover the answer you'll realise it's a no brainer.
Highlights give hints. Do a reverse engineering. (backwards) It's about Hi Tech exponentially growing rapidly.
 

Dennis said: "For thousands of years, knowledge has doubled about every century, and some say knowledge is doubling every twelve hours now."

Notice for centuries the slow  time line till knowledge was stored via a computer. 
Below is a great example of the exponential curve.

 

 

 

 

[Marilyn C]

On 4/26/2023 at 9:13 AM, Michael37 said:

 

The high-tech capabilities of heaven will always be beyond anything else, and as we know from the Bible, the influence of these continues to impact civilisation and society.

At any given moment God has access to any point in time or eternity, any place in existence past, present, or future, any fact, figure, or feature knowable, any concept, category, or communication possible, and can allow whomever He wills to observe and interact with Him and any of these by means of symbols, signs, revelations, dreams, and visions.

 

Hi Michael,

When God made everything, He made things -

`that are in heaven and that are on earth, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. ` (Col. 1: 16)

We know that this earth is passing away, it is damaged and it is visible. Then we know that the highest heaven is true reality, but invisible, (to us). It is a spiritual realm which will not pass away. Any interaction between the two is done for the understanding of those on earth. 

The spiritual, invisible realm in the highest, does not have the restrictions of the earth of time, space, and matter. Thus, we would never understand what it is like with our limited knowledge, so angels and the Lord took on a human form for man to understand, (Gen. 18: 2,  19: 1) (pre Christ`s manifestation).

I see what you mean by `at any given moment God has access to any point in time...` but that is like a grand master overlooking the earth and interjecting when He desires. That in not how it is. God is continually working out His good purposes across the nations, in individual lives etc, present all the time, (omnipresent). 

eg. `Sit at my right hand till I make your enemies your footstool.` (Ps. 110: 1)

`Rule in the midst of your enemies.` (Ps. 110: 2) 

 

Marilyn.

 

[Vine Abider]

On 4/26/2023 at 6:29 AM, Starise said:

Interesting concept comparing man's pithy tech to God's capabilities. All of takes is one long term widespread  power outage for all of our 'tech' to be soon disabled.

God is beyond anything or anyone. Finding better more efficient ways to do things seems to be a common human trait we were given by God allowing us to 'extend' ourselves beyond our human capabilities. The tech of the angels must be doubly amazing.

God speaks. It happens.....we have Alexa.

I'm with ya here! A brother once told me, as we were mussing regarding man's nuclear abilities, "Oh look, they've learned how to explode an atomic bomb.  Isn't that cute!?"  

Our grasp is so shallow of even the fundamentals of physics, let alone the real (spiritual) realm. All the comic book movies we have are such a feeble and childish attempt at showing what real god-like abilities are.

Chuck Missler had a talk one time trying to explain the universe.  He said scientists are just now having a slight inkling that the universe could indeed be folded or rolled up like a scroll, and that it really has very little mass (as we think of solid mass).  He said it might be akin to a super-fantastic Star Trek holodeck.  But we're really just small children with extremely little grasp of reality. (but praise God - we know Him who is Reality!)

Edited April 28, 2023 by Vine Abider

[teddyv]

The spiritual realm is "supernatural" and is beyond human scientific inquiry. Since it is non-repeatable and unpredictable, there is no way for us to develop hypotheses or theories from which useful technology might be developed.

 

[Sower]

On 4/27/2023 at 9:08 AM, Sower said:

Exponential curve.

Say you had a bottle. Within the bottle you place one live organism (knowledge). Also you place within the bottle air food and water. The organism(s) divides into two (doubles) each minute. The bottle will be completely full in twenty four hours.

When will the bottle be half full?

The bottle will be completely full in twenty four hours.

At Twenty three hours and fifty nine minutes, it's half full.

Then, one minute later, it doubles.....

 

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, Sower said:

The bottle will be completely full in twenty four hours.

At Twenty three hours and fifty nine minutes, it's half full.

Then, one minute later, it doubles.....

 

What happens after that? 

[Sower]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

What happens after that? 

Get a bigger bottle!

It was a demonstration on the exponential curve, applying it to knowledge/technology, crime, evil, etc etc etc.
So much in our current generation is expanding at an "exponential rate."

It was also a brain teaser...

[Michael37]

On 4/29/2023 at 11:02 AM, Sower said:

Get a bigger bottle!

It was a demonstration on the exponential curve, applying it to knowledge/technology, crime, evil, etc etc etc.
So much in our current generation is expanding at an "exponential rate."

It was also a brain teaser...

Yes, it was a good exercise. It made me think of this:

Hypothetically the total number of grains of rice on a chessboard if each square has double the amount of the previous square is calculated using the formula for the sum of a geometric series: 2^n - 1, where n is the number of squares on the chessboard. Since a chessboard has 64 squares, the total number of grains of rice would be 2^64 - 1, which is equal to 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 grains of rice.

Practically if a normal sized chessboard is used the number is far less since it is not practical to physically position the full number of grains on one. 

If each grain of rice was 1mm in its longest dimension, the total length of all the grains of rice on the chessboard would be 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 mm. This is equivalent to 18,446,744,073,709.551615 km. Since the chessboard has 8 rows and 8 columns, each row and column would need to be at least 2,305,843,009,213.693951 km long to accommodate all the grains of rice. This is a very large distance and much larger than the size of a typical chessboard.

[Sower]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

This is a very large distance and much larger than the size of a typical chessboard.

Wow!

Ck this out, (quote);

Each human cell has around 6 feet of DNA. Let's say each human has around 10 trillion cells (this is actually a low ball estimate). This would mean that each person has around 60 trillion feet or around 10 billion miles of DNA inside of them.

The Earth is about 93 million miles away from the sun. So your DNA could stretch to the sun and back 61 times. That is one person’s DNA.

Duh....

[BibleStudent100]

On 4/27/2023 at 6:12 AM, Dennis1209 said:

In 2 Kings 19:35, a single angel slew 185,000 people overnight with a sword. Assuming a twelve-hour night, 257 people per minute, or twelve every second. Is this “sword” representative of a technological means or a literal sharp sword? Also, the death angel of the last plague of the exodus.

Thoughtful breakdown Dennis.  After you reminded me that an angel wielding sword would have to take out a minimum of 12 Assyrian soldiers per second (I would argue a 10 hour night, which would mean more deaths per second), I wonder if that was a literal sword or if the word "sword" was a word that represented another spiritual technology that was non-understandable for humans, but was the only way to convey the slaying capability of an angel.