"Christ Who is Our Life" - Our Relationship with Everything!

[Alive]

30 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

I agree. I might get some backlash because of it. You've been very fair to ask first - without disagreement. But what do you think of this passage?

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: (Ro 8:10–16)

The question is, Who dwells in us believers? And the question will be, in John 14, Who did our Lord pray for ... and Who came to dwell in man?

I am working now and do not have time, but I am sure that we both understand that in some way difficult to fully comprehend because of the nature of the Godhead, that all three have come to dwell in us.

[Vine Abider]

27 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

I agree. I might get some backlash because of it. You've been very fair to ask first - without disagreement. But what do you think of this passage?

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: (Ro 8:10–16)

The question is, Who dwells in us believers? And the question will be, in John 14, Who did our Lord pray for ... and Who came to dwell in man?

We were having about the same conversation on another thread and I pointed to those above verses in Romans 8.  From these verses it shows the Father ("Him that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead") lives in us, Christ lives in us, and the Spirit lives in us.  So who was sent?  Obviously the Spirit, as the flesh and blood Jesus would have a hard time living in flesh and blood children of God. But there is a sense of the Spirit coming from/with the Father & Son, who are all one.  So we are "being transformed . . . even as from the Lord Spirit." (2 Cor 3:18 literal)

[Vine Abider]

Just now, Alive said:

I am working now and do not have time, but I am sure that we both understand that in some way difficult to fully comprehend because of the nature of the Godhead, that all three have come to dwell in us.

Indeed. These verses in John 14:16-17 are interesting: "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you.…

Then John 7:39, "He was speaking about the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were later to receive. For the Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified."

[Sower]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

The question is, Who dwells in us believers? And the question will be, in John 14, Who did our Lord pray for ... and Who came to dwell in man?

Well shucks, ain't God omni present?   

And I seem to remember the verse that Jesus is now sitting at the right hand of the Father.

[Vine Abider]

29 minutes ago, Sower said:

Well shucks, ain't God omni present?   

And I seem to remember the verse that Jesus is now sitting at the right hand of the Father.

I put a laughing response on your post because as humans in our 4-dimentional world (spatial + time) we want to pin everything down to one of those dimensions, don't we!?  Therefore we want to do that with God too.  That is, if "God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself," then how could the Father announce as a voice from heaven to the disciples, "This is My beloved Son, hear Him"?

Needless to say, it transcends our puny thinking. 

Edited May 18, 2023 by Vine Abider
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[Alive]

34 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

I put a laughing response on your post because as humans in our 4-dimentional world (spatial + time) we want to pin everything down to one of those dimensions, don't we!?  Therefore we want to do that with God too.  That is, if "God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself," then how could the Father announce as a voice from heaven to the disciples, "This is My beloved Son, hear Him"?

Needless to say, it transcends our puny thinking. 

Yupper. I tend to keep these things simple and the place where I have planted my boots is in Life. We have been Gifted with a New Life--The LIFE and that Life is Christ. I judge near everything in the context of the Cross, Resurrection and Ascension and our actual and very real inclusion in those events. I know, huh? A broken record, but honestly--I am convinced that if we get that stuff right, we have a solid foundation on which to have a fair chance at remaining doctrinally solid.

I died, I rose in/with New Life and ascended so that my Life is hidden with Christ in God. And He didn't leave me alone while I am in this body on the earth. My tree analogy is some help there. Upside down--roots no longer in the earth, but in Heaven and the leaves in this earth where I am subject to, yet protected from, the darkness in this realm.

:-)

Praise the Lord! Because He lives, I live also. And every soul who is in Christ of the Father!

[AdHoc]

2 hours ago, Alive said:

I am working now and do not have time, but I am sure that we both understand that in some way difficult to fully comprehend because of the nature of the Godhead, that all three have come to dwell in us.

Exactly. That's why I started my first posting with a sentence or two on turning this thread into an unending round of the Triune God. But my statement was provocative. It was done to provoke thought on the glorious truth that our Lord Jesus sits on a Throne at the right hand of the Father, but at the same time dwells in us and is our sufficiency in all things. And this system of things will never change. In the Millennium our Lord Jesus will sit physically in Jerusalem, but the Christian king in Sydney, Australia, which is 8,800 miles / 14,200 kilometers away will have sweet fellowship with Him (Jn.4:24).

The exquisiteness of our God is not so we can be intellectually adept at understanding Him. He is Triune and all-mighty and omnipresent so that we can enjoy Him. I find it exhilarating that there are aspects of my God which are beyond me. I cherish the fact that he is bigger and better than I can imagine.  

[AdHoc]

2 hours ago, Sower said:

Well shucks, ain't God omni present?   

And I seem to remember the verse that Jesus is now sitting at the right hand of the Father.

Exactly.

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

The exquisiteness of our God is not so we can be intellectually adept at understanding Him.

I agree with energy in all you said in this post and praise our Lord alongside you.

The part I quoted, although mundane, is something that the Lord drove home to me, but that is another story.

[AdHoc]

1 minute ago, Alive said:

I agree with energy in all you said in this post and praise our Lord alongside you.

The part I quoted, although mundane, is something that the Lord drove home to me, but that is another story.

It's a deep subject and it's made my day to see serious brothers agreeing. I bet there are more.