The Nation of Israel - Sign of the Fig Tree

[JasperWalls11]

28 minutes ago, Biblican said:

It was in a video of interviews with orthodox Jews in Israel. I heard several of them say that. I am trying to find the original video. When I get it I will post the link.

So, it was a limited group of Orthodox Jews in Israel?  And you assume that they speak for the whole of Judaism?  

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, JasperWalls11 said:

Actually, Jesus will build a temple in the millennium and will reign in that temple.  That temple is described in Ezekiel 40-48.    I am not making up any stories.  Jesus will reign from His temple for 1,000 years according to Scripture.   Jesus is not ruling from a throne today.  Right now, Jesus is our Great High Priest and at this time, He is making intercession for us before the Father.   He will return to reign on the throne of David just as the prophets said.  

You are reading  between the lines. You are inserting a lot of things related to Jesus time.  

If Jesus wanted to say things about himself the way you and the group you are representing say about him..Jesus he could not say things to the contrary. 

Like the Father has given all Judgment to his Son.

Jesus said that everyone will be Judge according to his faith or his denial in him.

Jesus said to the unbelieving Jews that they will die in their sins if they die without faith in him after the Gospel will be preached to them. After his death on the Cross. 

Jesus Christ said that to people who had forgiveness of sins by the Atonement made in the Temple by the blood of the sacrificial animals...And believe that they still had forgiveness of their sins after having refused to believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. 

Jesus explained to them that the High Priest who made the Atonement for himself and for them was still in his sins...

Because at that time the Lamb of God was slained..

And God had children only those who were sanctified by the blood of the Lamb of God..Jesus Christ..

Jesus is not a Jew....

Jesus said that he is an Adam...

An Adam cannot come from a Jewish man...

And Jesus is the Lord of all and he is not a High Priest in the order of Aaron Priesthood to make intersections to God on our behalf..Jesus Christ Rules. HE REIGNS FOREVER. Since the time the Father gave everything to him...everything he had...

All his theotis...

The Father is not telling Jesus Christ what to do and Jesus Christ has been given all authority and he has the authority to do everything without asking or consulting the Heavenly Father..

And he gives us authority in his name...never in the name of God...only in the name of Jesus Christ...in the name of Jesus Peter said I have healed this man...

Who will Judge the works of everyone in the world...both living and those who have died...

Stephen show the vision of Jesus siting on the right on the Throne together with God...God has make him Lord...

The Heavenly Father judges no one, He has given all the Judgment to his Son...

Jesus also said that he will Judge everyone according to his faith in him.

Edited May 31, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, JasperWalls11 said:

Actually, Jesus will build a temple in the millennium and will reign in that temple.  That temple is described in Ezekiel 40-48.    I am not making up any stories.  Jesus will reign from His temple for 1,000 years according to Scripture.   Jesus is not ruling from a throne today.  Right now, Jesus is our Great High Priest and at this time, He is making intercession for us before the Father.   He will return to reign on the throne of David just as the prophets said.  

The Heavenly Father was not worship in the Temple in Jerusalem made with human hands. 

Jesus will build a Temple? 

Definitely Jesus was the Cornerstone of the House of God...

The Heavenly Father was not worship in the Temple made of Human hands. 

[JasperWalls11]

1 minute ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

Jesus is not a Jew....

 

Yes, He is.  Jesus is a resurrected Jewish man, and He is God. He said this about Himself in Revelation: “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”(Rev 22:16)

That means that Jesus is still a Jewish man of the Tribe of Judah and He is still the offspring of David.   There are still Messianic prophecies for Jesus to fulfill on earth.  He has to return and rule Israel on David's throne. 

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And Jesus is the Lord of all and he is not a High Priest in the order of Aaron Priesthood to make intersections to God on our behalf..Jesus Christ Rules. HE REIGNS FOREVER. Since the time the Father gave everything to him...everything he had...

Jesus is not a high priest of the Aaronic order, but Jesus IS our Great High Priest in the order of Melchizedic: "For it is witnessed of him, “You are a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek.”' (Heb 7:17)

Jesus is currently our Great High Priest and while He is a king, He is not operating in the office of King.  That office will be fulfilled during the Millennial Kingdom. 

[JasperWalls11]

8 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

Jesus will build a Temple? 

 

Yes, He will build a Temple and it is described for us in Ezek. 40-48.  That is the temple that will stand in Israel during the Millennium.

[Your closest friendnt]

2 minutes ago, JasperWalls11 said:

Yes, He is.  Jesus is a resurrected Jewish man, and He is God. He said this about Himself in Revelation: “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”(Rev 22:16)

That means that Jesus is still a Jewish man of the Tribe of Judah and He is still the offspring of David.   There are still Messianic prophecies for Jesus to fulfill on earth.  He has to return and rule Israel on David's throne. 

Jesus is not a high priest of the Aaronic order, but Jesus IS our Great High Priest in the order of Melchizedic: "For it is witnessed of him, “You are a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek.”' (Heb 7:17)

Jesus is currently our Great High Priest and while He is a king, He is not operating in the office of King.  That office will be fulfilled during the Millennial Kingdom. 

Your comments needs to be discussed one issue at the time. We need to put everything to the test....

To start with Jesus said that he was before David ...he spoke those words as he said that he is both the root of David and also his descendant and he is the bright morning Star. 

Jesus was an Adam he was not from the seed of any Man. 

Jesus said if you want to look for the promised Messiah who will be Known as the heir of the Throne of David do not look for him any further look to me who I am the root of David..who I was before David and who brought David forth...being his God and Lord...David called the Christ the Messiah to come Lord...

Jesus asked the Jews "why do you say that the Christ is the Son of David when David called him Lord"? 

They did know what to say but the disciples later on had understood the answer...

[JasperWalls11]

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Your comments needs to be discussed one issue at the time. We need to put everything to the test....

To start with Jesus said that he was before David ...he spoke those words as he said that he is both the root of David and also his descendant and he is the bright morning Star. 

 

Yes as God, Jesus pre-existed David.   But Jesus is also of the Tribe of Judah.  He is still the same man He was, but in a resurrected form. Jesus is still a Jew of the tribe of Judah and the line of David.  That is important because Jesus still has Messianic prophecies to fulfill that only He can fulfill as the descendent of David.  He will sit on David's throne.  Every place where David's throne is mentioned, it is always on earth. 

 

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Jesus was an Adam he was not from the seed of any Man. 

More accurately, Jesus is called the 2nd Adam, in that Jesus succeeded where the first Adam failed.   Jesus as a man is from the seed of Abraham and the seed of David, per His genealogies in Matthew and Luke. 

Jesus is the son of David, and the promised Messiah who will reign on David's throne in Millennium.  Pretty straight forward.

 

[Biblican]

On 5/31/2023 at 12:58 PM, JasperWalls11 said:

So, it was a limited group of Orthodox Jews in Israel?  And you assume that they speak for the whole of Judaism?  

No they speak for a portion of them. But the Jewish leadership uses the Babylonian Talmud which supports the belief and is loaded with anti-Gentile references, which gives them permission to lie to Gentiles, kill them etc. This is why they think that are justified in being so brutal to the Palestinians.

If you want to contradict this, then please do your own research first.

[Biblican]

On 5/30/2023 at 11:18 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

 

There is no clarity with the statement above. I strongly disagree and I can no voice my disagreement unless you can persuade me other wise by saying what you mean about the terms I have listed below and how you have come to accept them with scripture or not...

It is not only about the term "the Hebrew olive tree", (there is not such a thing in the Gospel of Jesus Christ)  and also about the term of Gentiles (as there is not shuch a thing " a Gentile" in the New World of the New Covenant) and also about the early church seeing them selves as Jews. 

And this one too...what does it have to do whether one or more than one believer show themselves as Jews...Definitely they were mistaken because that it is impossible...very much so..they can call them selves Jews but they cannot be call Jews by the real Jews of the Sinai Covenant...the definition counts...

Paul never said anything like that....and I say that because I know what Paul said about that.

 

The Hebrew Olive tree is in Romans 11:17-23 -Rom 11:16  For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 
Rom 11:17  And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; (This is where Paul is referring to the Jews as the Olive tree)
Rom 11:18  Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 
Rom 11:19  Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. 
Rom 11:20  Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 
Rom 11:21  For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 
Rom 11:22  Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 
Rom 11:23  And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. 

The early church saw themselves as Spiritual Jews (not Hebrews) from these verses -

Gal 3:7  Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Rom 9:6  Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:  (Jews who say they are Jews and are not - Rev. 3:9).
Rom 9:7  Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 
Rom 9:8  That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.  

Rom 2:28  For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 
Rom 2:29  But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. 
 

 

[WilliamL]

On 5/31/2023 at 2:52 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

Jesus said if you want to look for the promised Messiah who will be Known as the heir of the Throne of David do not look for him any further look to me who I am the root of David..who I was before David and who brought David forth...being his God and Lord...David called the Christ the Messiah to come Lord...

Jesus asked the Jews "why do you say that the Christ is the Son of David when David called him Lord"? 

In both Matt. 1:1 and Luke 3:31, Jesus is called the "son of David." So say the Scriptures; do you agree with them?

Spiritually, Jesus was the root of David, but physically, was descended biologically from David through his mother (a Jewish mother = a Jewish child), and descended tribally through his earthly adoptive father, Joseph (a Jewish child is accounted to belong to the tribe of his father.)