Adam & Eve - Christ & The Church

[debrakay]

On 6/10/2023 at 6:42 AM, JimmyB said:

The truth is that the KJV is just one of many English translations and, in my opinion, clearly not the best.

 

Whew!  Thank goodness y'all did not decided to go with the Hebrew or Greek translations for this thread.  I would have clicked out a long time ago and I am only halfway through the posts.

BTW it is a very good thread with a lot of good points and thoughts.  Some get a bit windy but all in all it's good.

[JimmyB]

2 minutes ago, debrakay said:

Whew!  Thank goodness y'all did not decided to go with the Hebrew or Greek translations for this thread.  I would have clicked out a long time ago and I am only halfway through the posts.

BTW it is a very good thread with a lot of good points and thoughts.  Some get a bit windy but all in all it's good.

What are "the Hebrew or Greek translations"?  All Bibles are translated from ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek sources.

[debrakay]

22 hours ago, farouk said:

@Anne2 It's interesting to see that believers now who are in the church are inheritors of promises in Christ because of faith, although this does not make them Israelites. I would see the church and Israel as distinct (1 Cor. 10.32).

This scripture does not seem to make a distinction. Your thoughts @farouk

Galatians 3:28 (NIV) - There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

@AdHoc

Greetings to you brother, we are not adversaries when we see something in a similar way and we are not adversaries when our views are not the same. 

Jesus was the First and the Last in many things. 

He was the first man to come out from a woman with the Life of God in him.

Not having a human Father. His life coming from the Heavenly Father....

When his mother gave birth to him an Adam was born.

A man with the Life of God in him was born...the new branch from the root of Jesse had just sprout and began to grow.  

This is the first and the last..an Adam to be born. 

 

The Logos who was from the beginning with God and who came out fron God and being God himself and who was towards God...whom God sent to Create the world and man the one who gave life to man...came into our world through his birth from a maiden name Mary (Myriam) (for the Moslems who may read this post) and at the time of his birth he was attached to Mary's pipblical cord. 

An Adam was born "the first and the Last"...if he fails in his mission The Heavenly Father did not have anyone else to sent.

If he fails and be lost, Enoch would be lost Elijah would be lost, (Moses would be lost) and Abraham and all of his chosen children who were with him will be lost also because he was the one who gave Life to them..and if he is lost they will be lost with him. 

In Revelation chapter one Jesus as the first born from the dead or the place of the dead..he came out from that place to never go back there again.  

In this situation Jesus said I am the first but he did not say I am the Last...others followed after him...

  Jesus the first one who came out of the place of the dead and enter Heaven and not the last one because he opened the way for others to follow. Abraham and everyone else with him were waiting for that moment and they followed him. 

Since that time the way to the Heavenly Father is open and when we die it is open for us also because we are in Jesus Christ the Lord of heaven. 

Note: the door to the place to the underworld is close for us we believe in Jesus Christ. 

Edited June 15, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[farouk]

29 minutes ago, debrakay said:

This scripture does not seem to make a distinction. Your thoughts @farouk

Galatians 3:28 (NIV) - There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

Hi @debrakay The Galatians verse says that for those in Christ there is no distinction.

The 1 Corinthians 10 verse says that ordinarily there are three groups of ppl in the world: i) Jews, ii) Gentiles and iii) the church of God (i.e., those who are in Christ).

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, debrakay said:

Good question.  I believe the Father put free will into his creation of mankind (also, made in His image).  I do not believe He created mankind with sin inside of him.  Sin came into the hearts of mankind later when mankind decided, by free will, to disobey the Father.  Mankind chose self instead of God. This is when sin appeared.

Genesis 4:6 NIV 

6 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”

 

[farouk]

15 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Genesis 4:6 NIV 

6 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”

 

@debrakay Reminds me of Romans 5.12: "...by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned".

[debrakay]

13 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Genesis 4:6 NIV 

6 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”

Yes, sin is always crouching at the door of man's free will choices.

[debrakay]

6 minutes ago, farouk said:

@debrakay Reminds me of Romans 5.12: "...by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned".

Colossians 1:15-20 - The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

[farouk]

1 minute ago, debrakay said:

Colossians 1:15-20 - The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

@debrakay A triumphant passage there...........