A Congregation Without Holy Spirit Lordship Is Not In Christ

[debrakay]

15 hours ago, FJK said:

That's purely sad, I can't think of any other way t say it.

What have their preachers been preaching and how have they been preaching it?

It is purely sad.  How can a Christian shepherd of the Christian flock he was entrusted with not teach about Father, Son and Holy Spirit when Jesus commanded and spoke about The Comforter?  The Spirit of God who comes to reveal all of the spiritual things of the Father and Son to us.  They are all God in One!  I'm not a preacher but even I know it is all "Three" we need to understand and discern His will, His love, His power, His might, His everything. 

How do you get that master's degree is you never truly know the Master in all His fulness?

[debrakay]

4 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

@JimmyB, @debrakay,

Based on the topic of the OP,

are you looking at the spirit in the World,

or the Spirit in the Church?

Definitely the Spirit in the church.  The spirit in the world is obvious and it is not good, in fact it is downright evil.  For the church (aka religious denominations) to deny the Spirit of God is awful and is against what Jesus taught.  It's time for another Jesus revolution since the churches are not doing what they were formed to do.  Many teachers and preachers of the "WORD" have lost their way and are leading their flocks on that same ungodly path.  

[Neighbor]

Too many rules, way too many all made by man.

I didn't even know of the Holy Spirit when God called me to my own repentance and my salvation.

[Mr. M]

5 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Too many rules, way too many all made by man.

I didn't even know of the Holy Spirit when God called me to my own repentance and my salvation.

For someone to repent of their sin, they must be convicted.

John 16:

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away;

for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart,

I will send Him to you. 

8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness,

and of judgment.

2 Timothy 2:

11 This is a faithful saying:

For if we died with Him,
We shall also live with Him.
12 If we endure,
We shall also reign with Him.
If we deny Him,
He also will deny us.
13 If we are faithless,
He remains faithful;
He cannot deny Himself.

[JimmyB]

26 minutes ago, debrakay said:

Definitely the Spirit in the church.  The spirit in the world is obvious and it is not good, in fact it is downright evil.  For the church (aka religious denominations) to deny the Spirit of God is awful and is against what Jesus taught.  It's time for another Jesus revolution since the churches are not doing what they were formed to do.  Many teachers and preachers of the "WORD" have lost their way and are leading their flocks on that same ungodly path.  

For God so loved the world...  If He loved (and loves) the world, regardless of the evil, and Jesus said to love our neighbor as ourself, that is what I will do.  That is the only remedy for the world's evil.  The church must be the light of the world.  I question why you're judging Christ's body.

[Neighbor]

20 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

For someone to repent of their sin, they must be convicted.

 

Of course, but they do not need a doctrinal thesis paper ( In order to be) to be turned about, nor do they have need to know of the Holy Spirit's mechanics, how the Holy Spirit works, only that; hey look what happened to me today, wow! One doesn't even have to know the phrases of Christianity such as  in the flesh, the old man within, blah, blah, blah. The blatherings that get parroted as though they add something significant to what has already occurred without any of them.

All one receives is the comfort of-that Holy Spirit - who enables one to  see Jesus, and realize; hey, I am now part of  and participant in that awesome wonder! What a deal!

All the other stuff the many many  analyzings and hashing outs of doctrines, understandings, and straining of gnats, is mere exercise by comparison, much of it quite futile as it does not save anyone. Most of which are men's attempt to elevate themselves in their own eye's view over others, all of whom have been saved the same way- by God alone and not by them at all. Their many rules being null and void, unenforceable for man has no power to save or to declare another person not worthy to be saved.

[Mr. M]

8 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Of course, but they do not need a doctrinal thesis paper to be turned about, nor do they have need to know of the Holy Spirit's mechanics, how it works, only that hey look what happened to me today, wow! One doesn't even have to know the phrases of Christianity in the flesh the old man within blah blah blah.

They need to know Him! Amen! (Paul held a doctrinal thesis!)

Philippians 3:

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law,

but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship

of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Edited June 6, 2023 by Mr. M
added text

[Neighbor]

2 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

They need to know Him! Amen! (Paul held a doctrinal thesis!)

Philippians 3:

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law,

but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship

of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Yes and of which  God did not need to use to turn me about. In fact i suspect Paul's thesis would not have turned me one way or another As until I was turned about through the enabling by the Holy Spirit to see that Jesus is Lord, God, and my personal savior, I would have no capacity to  receive and agree with Paul's thesis. it would be just that  yet another thesis of little real interest to me.

Now as exhortation that is different. It is invaluable as exhortation to  my own faithing, to actually do the faithing, the personal total reliance, on the faith of Jesus. But why is that so?  I think it is so because it is company to my own personal experience of being awakened to the presence of God. It corroborates that which experience proclaims in my heart. It brings my mind's faculties inline with God's reality that has already pierced my heart and excited my spirit.

 

 

[debrakay]

45 minutes ago, JimmyB said:

For God so loved the world...  If He loved (and loves) the world, regardless of the evil, and Jesus said to love our neighbor as ourself, that is what I will do.  That is the only remedy for the world's evil.  The church must be the light of the world.  I question why you're judging Christ's body.

I am merely stating an observation.  God will judge.  

Are they really the body of Christ is if they deny the Holy Spirit in them?  Jesus told Nicodemus he had to be born of the Spirit.  To deny the Spirit is against the commandment of Jesus.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 6/2/2023 at 6:51 PM, Mr. M said:

 Now the Lord is the Spirit

"The words I speak to you, they are spirit, and they are life" John 6:63

And He was born directly of the Holy Spirit; Luke 1:35

Having the Spirit is about following the Spirit; Romans 8:13-14 Galatians 5:23-24.

And Christ is the Spirit. We follow Him by practicing what He taught.

If one has no other understanding, and surely to begin,
following the Spirit is simply understood as doing the things Christ said to do,
His simple teachings; Luke 6:27-49 are the direction of the Spirit.