This One Thing Will Make You Believe in Noah’s Flood

[ChristB4us]

21 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

I have already explained in detail from the use of key words in 1:2 compared with how they were translated elsewhere in the OT that the earth became a wasteland, and therefore the rest of the account is about God restoring the planet.  

More evidence.  The Hebrew word for "made" isn't "bara" creation out of nothing, but "asa", to make from existing materials, which is what a restoration is.  Thanks.

Yes, the entire universe was spoken into existence (ex nihilio).  Then, the earth became a wasteland, and God restored it.

I'm convinced by how the key words in 1:2 were translated elsewhere.  So something occurred that God didn't detail, and He restored the wasteland before He placed man on earth.

There is no hint of evolution in my understanding.  Only that the earth was created way longer than Adam has been on the earth.

You do know that the Greek word "pneuma" does not always refer to the Holy Spirit, right?  It is defined by how it is used in the verse and the context of that message.

From Strong's concordance:  from pnew - pneo 4154; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit:--ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind. Compare yuch - psuche 5590. end of quote

So not every Greek word for spirit is referring to the Holy Spirit.

So applying how it is used elsewhere is a mistake because elsewhere, nothing is being created as if spoken into existence by the word of God.

Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The earth was not there and neither was the universe for why this is a topic sentence and the following verse was how God did it all because it ends with this conclusion below for how God created the heavens and the earth in verse 1.

Genesis 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

You should reconsider by asking Jesus to see that the earth was not there because the universe wasn't either when the universe was not created until the fourth day.

[ChristB4us]

19 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Ocean colors is from the different types of phytoplankton in their perspective places. 

Colors of oceans is light reflecting off the marine biosphere.

Since the Bible is true and there was one large land mass with all the sea in one place, I am assuming the Pacific Basin for why it is so blue, then the area of the Atlantic Ocean and the rest of the world covered with water, was above sea level at one time.

So the area which once held the fountains of the deep to water the whole earth is not empty with a huge weight of the land over the majority of that one large land mass.

I would speculate from observation of the evidence in aftermath & the truths in the Bible, that when the one large land mass thus the earth was divided in Peleg's day, then the once tropical area of the Sahara was wiped out by a huge tsunamis that developed as the sea waters rushed over from the pacific basin over Latin America filling in what is not the gulf of Mexico, building up such a torrent that as it filled the dropped area of the forming Atlantic Ocean, it reaches its pinnacle by overflowing the Sahara region in wiping it out and carrying the top soil and debris from this huge tsunamis when it washed back into the Atlantic Ocean.

Then over time, other areas dropped into the Atlantic Ocean, like the fabled Atlantis, as it was referenced by Plato, given the settling of the rest of the land over what used to hold the waters from the fountains of the deep before those asteroids impact gushed them forth in emptying it underneath.

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The transition zone deep in earth does hold vast a amount of water more than 10 times the amount of all water on the surface.

Scientists discover massive 'ocean' beneath Earth's surface bigger than all the seas above land

Confirmed and does offer support for where all the extra waters from the Biblical global flood went to.

Some say the flood waters can be seen as flowing from America towards that Mariana Trench off of China in creating that Grand Canyon.

[BeyondET]

4 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

Since the Bible is true and there was one large land mass with all the sea in one place, I am assuming the Pacific Basin for why it is so blue, then the area of the Atlantic Ocean and the rest of the world covered with water, was above sea level at one time.

So the area which once held the fountains of the deep to water the whole earth is not empty with a huge weight of the land over the majority of that one large land mass.

I would speculate from observation of the evidence in aftermath & the truths in the Bible, that when the one large land mass thus the earth was divided in Peleg's day, then the once tropical area of the Sahara was wiped out by a huge tsunamis that developed as the sea waters rushed over from the pacific basin over Latin America filling in what is not the gulf of Mexico, building up such a torrent that as it filled the dropped area of the forming Atlantic Ocean, it reaches its pinnacle by overflowing the Sahara region in wiping it out and carrying the top soil and debris from this huge tsunamis when it washed back into the Atlantic Ocean.

Then over time, other areas dropped into the Atlantic Ocean, like the fabled Atlantis, as it was referenced by Plato, given the settling of the rest of the land over what used to hold the waters from the fountains of the deep before those asteroids impact gushed them forth in emptying it underneath.

Scientists discover massive 'ocean' beneath Earth's surface bigger than all the seas above land

Confirmed and does offer support for where all the extra waters from the Biblical global flood went to.

Some say the flood waters can be seen as flowing from America towards that Mariana Trench off of China in creating that Grand Canyon.

The color of oceans isn't caused by how shallow it is or one big land mass.

The biosphere is the resson and sometimes sediments cause different shades of color.

If the flood shaped the landscape that is not mentioned in the Bible. So it's not known if it did anything to the landscape.

God started the flood and He ended it, there's nothing that says in scripture about any evidence left behind.

Edited June 13, 2023 by BeyondET

[FreeGrace]

5 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

You do know that the Greek word "pneuma" does not always refer to the Holy Spirit, right?  It is defined by how it is used in the verse and the context of that message.

Yes, I am fully aware.

5 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

From Strong's concordance:  from pnew - pneo 4154; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit:--ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind. Compare yuch - psuche 5590. end of quote

So not every Greek word for spirit is referring to the Holy Spirit.

Right.  John 4:24

5 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

So applying how it is used elsewhere is a mistake because elsewhere, nothing is being created as if spoken into existence by the word of God.

Actually, the Hebrew word "bara" in v.1 means to create out of nothing.  Ex nihilio

And Psa 33:9 - For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm. shows that Gen 1:1 is what God spoke into being.

5 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The earth was not there and neither was the universe for why this is a topic sentence and the following verse was how God did it all because it ends with this conclusion below for how God created the heavens and the earth in verse 1.

Genesis 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

I already addressed this.  The Hebrew word for "made" isn't 'bara' from v.1 but 'asah' which means to create from existing materials.  That's the difference.  Everything from Genb 1:2 through Gen 2:2 is about restoration of the earth.

And the traditional translation of Gen 1:2 isn't how the key words are translated elsewhere in the OT.  Seems everyone ignores that FACT.

But, the earth became an uninhabitable wasteland.

5 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

You should reconsider by asking Jesus to see that the earth was not there because the universe wasn't either when the universe was not created until the fourth day.

Yes, neither the earth nor the universe existed before Gen 1:1.  But when God spoke them into existence, they did exist.

[ChristB4us]

2 hours ago, BeyondET said:

The color of oceans isn't caused by how shallow it is or one big land mass.

The biosphere is the resson and sometimes sediments cause different shades of color.

If the flood shaped the landscape that is not mentioned in the Bible. So it's not known if it did anything to the landscape.

God started the flood and He ended it, there's nothing that says in scripture about any evidence left behind.

Only the obvious evidence of marine fossils found everywhere including the mountaintops.

[ChristB4us]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

Yes, I am fully aware.

Right.  John 4:24

Actually, the Hebrew word "bara" in v.1 means to create out of nothing.  Ex nihilio

And Psa 33:9 - For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm. shows that Gen 1:1 is what God spoke into being.

I already addressed this.  The Hebrew word for "made" isn't 'bara' from v.1 but 'asah' which means to create from existing materials.  That's the difference.  Everything from Genb 1:2 through Gen 2:2 is about restoration of the earth.

And the traditional translation of Gen 1:2 isn't how the key words are translated elsewhere in the OT.  Seems everyone ignores that FACT.

But, the earth became an uninhabitable wasteland.

Yes, neither the earth nor the universe existed before Gen 1:1.  But when God spoke them into existence, they did exist.

From existing material which was water for how He created gravity in dividing the water in forming the water planet for the upper atmosphere in the start of creating the earth on that second day for when it was completed with land & plant life the third day.

The universe was spoken into existence the fourth day.  So when that was written in the first verse, you have to wonder what was created the fourth day.

That is why I see the first verse in Genesis as the topic and the following verses was how God did it as that topic was concluded in Genesis 2:1-3.

Thanks for sharing.

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, ChristB4us said:

That is why I see the first verse in Genesis as the topic and the following verses was how God did it as that topic was concluded in Genesis 2:1-3.

Thanks for sharing.

That is why I see an unknown but very long amount of time between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2, and God restoring what ruined the planet, before placing man on it.

The Hebrew words that are translated quite differently elsewhere in the OT are key to understanding v.2.  It has all been laid out.  There is no evolution involved.  Just original pristine creation, something that ruined the planet, and restoration of the planet for man's existence.

[BeyondET]

4 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

Only the obvious evidence of marine fossils found everywhere including the mountaintops.

The Bible is silent on marine fossils, so it's only a theory. 

Marine fossils are not formed by rising waters actually marine life thrives in water no matter how deep or if its covering mountains. Like in the Atlantic ocean, there is no fish dying because of a underwater mountain. That's simply grand speculation.

Fossilized is a different process that forms a fossil and very very few animals get fossilized.

Whales are mentioned before the Flood and they are around today and they were not on the ark let's here your explanation?

Edited June 14, 2023 by BeyondET

[LiveWire]

 

1 hour ago, BeyondET said:

The Bible is silent on marine fossils, so it's only a theory. 

Marine fossils are not formed by rising waters actually marine life thrives in water no matter how deep or if its covering mountains. Like in the Atlantic ocean, there is no fish dying because of a underwater mountain. That's simply grand speculation.

Let's expand upon this view here for a moment.

 

Where I live, High Plains, in Mountain Range terrain.   Several spots, we have endless amounts of fossilized shell life.   This confounded Scientific research so much they determined these High Plains were once the tops of the Ocean Floor.   Instead of thinking Global Flood, they think Ocean Floor was this high and over time has dwindled to current status.

[BeyondET]

2 hours ago, LiveWire said:

 

Let's expand upon this view here for a moment.

 

Where I live, High Plains, in Mountain Range terrain.   Several spots, we have endless amounts of fossilized shell life.   This confounded Scientific research so much they determined these High Plains were once the tops of the Ocean Floor.   Instead of thinking Global Flood, they think Ocean Floor was this high and over time has dwindled to current status.

The shell of those animals decomposes alot longer than hollow bones and flesh. They ride along as the mountains grows others are imprints on the solid ground.

All the land masses on earth is always in a state of motion colliding splitting wrinkling to mountains and pulled down through seduction zones recycled deep in the core returns as volcanos creating new land masses.

99% of all animals are already gone only a minuscule got fossilized and rest plowed under lost to time.

All mountains are still growing, I'm not one to think they are only 6 to 8 thousands years old but much older so is life imo.