The AOD and the destruction of the Temple

[Stewardofthemystery]

Many claim the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel and Jesus has not been set up yet, and another Temple needs to be rebuilt in the future in Jerusalem to fulfill this prophecy in the future. This doctrine is false.

Jesus’ words below confirm both He, and the apostles, were speaking of the Temple and buildings they were looking at "with their own eyes." 

The words of God confirm this truth.....

Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at "with their own eyes."

Notice in Mark's account above there is only one question asked about when shall these buildings be destroyed, and what sign would there be prior to this event, concerning the abomination of desolation.

But in Matthew's account pay attention to the question and the prophecy, as 2 separate questions are asked of Jesus. 

Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

So in Matthews account not only was Jesus asked about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at "with their own eyes", but also about the signs of Christ’s second coming and also about “the end of the world.”

Now to Luke's account…..

Luke 21:5-7 5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Again notice they are speaking of the Temple and buildings they are looking at "with their own eyes." And so Jesus tells them "the signs" given before the temple is destroyed….

Luke 21:20 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.” ( This is the abomination of desolation event spoken of in Daniel)

This event concerning the destruction of the city of Jerusalem that Jesus and the apostles were looking at "with their own eyes "is also confirmed by Jesus in ....

Luke 19:41-44 “And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it. Saying, If thou hast known, even thou, at least in this day, the things which belong unto thy peace! But now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side. And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.”

So the common mistake here is to think that the abomination of desolation concerning the destruction of the Temple is yet future, and has anything to do with the second coming of Christ and the end of the world almost 2 thousand years later.

But when you understand the questions asked of Jesus was in two parts, then you will see these 2 events are separate from one another and are many, many years apart. 

And it is also very clear in all accounts given in Matthew, Mark, and Luke that Jesus and the apostles were talking about the Temple and surrounding buildings they were looking at "with their own eyes". 

There is no need for a future Temple to be built to fulfill this prophecy, as it has already been fulfilled in 70 a.d. when the Roman army surrounded, and then destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple.

Both the words of Jesus and history prove this to be true. With the abomination of desolation events already being fulfilled, we can now focus on the events of Christ's second coming, and on the signs concerning the end of this world.

Prove all things by the words of God. Peace and God bless

[Shilohsfoal]

So let me get this right.You believe the gospel was preached in all the world by 70 ad and the end came as in verse 14

Then you believe the abomination of desolation mentioned in verse 15 was placed in Jerusalem in 70 ad?

 

The gospel had been preached in all the world in 70 ad?

 

Mathew 24

¹⁴ And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

¹⁵ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.

 

 

Are you sure the gospel had been preached in all the world by 70 ad?

I don't even think the book of Mathew was even written untill ,85 ad.

 

 

Edited June 14, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[R. Hartono]

Revelation 11 speaks about the 3rd temple built not by the Will of God.

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Luke 21:20 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.” ( This is the abomination of desolation event spoken of in Daniel)

The A/D is the sacrificing of an unclean animal on the altar.  Intact Temple.

2 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

So the common mistake here is to think that the abomination of desolation concerning the destruction of the Temple is yet future, and has anything to do with the second coming of Christ and the end of the world almost 2 thousand years later.

Present day Israel is developing a pure Red Heifer to be sacrificed outside the city, the ashes of which are to cleanse the New Temple.  The Levites have been preparing themselves for many years to perform sacrifices at this New Temple.  No mention of this Temple being destroyed during the 70th Week.  Shortly after Christ returns to the Mt of Olives He enters Jerusalem through the gate facing East.  Then He goes into the Temple and His Glory fills the Temple and the soles of his feet will walk in the Temple and be among the Israelites forever. Ezk 43:1-7

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Stewardofthemystery]

14 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

So let me get this right.You believe the gospel was preached in all the world by 70 ad and the end came as in verse 14

Then you believe the abomination of desolation mentioned in verse 15 was placed in Jerusalem in 70 ad?

 

The gospel had been preached in all the world in 70 ad?

 

Mathew 24

¹⁴ And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

¹⁵ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.

 

 

Are you sure the gospel had been preached in all the world by 70 ad?

I don't even think the book of Mathew was even written untill ,85 ad.

 

 

You need to rightly divide between the 2 separate events.  Jesus was asked 2 questions…the first was about the signs that would precede the destruction of the Temple they were looking at “with their own eyes.” That event has been fulfilled, because those buildings “they were looking at with their own eyes” have been destroyed long ago.

The second question was about the end of the world events and His second coming.

You need to be able to rightly divide the scriptures concerning these 2 separate events.

[Stewardofthemystery]

14 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Revelation 11 speaks about the 3rd temple built not by the Will of God.

The Temple of God is in heaven….

Revelation 11:19

And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 14:17

And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

Revelation 15:5

And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

Revelation 16:17

And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

[Stewardofthemystery]

12 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

The A/D is the sacrificing of an unclean animal on the altar.  Intact Temple.

Present day Israel is developing a pure Red Heifer to be sacrificed outside the city, the ashes of which are to cleanse the New Temple.  The Levites have been preparing themselves for many years to perform sacrifices at this New Temple.  No mention of this Temple being destroyed during the 70th Week.  Shortly after Christ returns to the Mt of Olives He enters Jerusalem through the gate facing East.  Then He goes into the Temple and His Glory fills the Temple and the soles of his feet will walk in the Temple and be among the Israelites forever. Ezk 43:1-7

In Christ

Montana Marv

It really does not matter what the Jews are preparing.  The fact remains, Jesus and the apostles were talking about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at with their own eyes.

It has been destroyed as Jesus said it would. Prophecy fulfilled.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

Jerusalem was surrounded by armies in 1090 during the crusades.

And it was surrounded by armies in 1948. From 1948 to 1967 half of Jerusalem was desolate and uninhabited.

Jerusalem will likely be surrounded by armies again.

 

'the abomination of desolation, standing where it ought not' Mark 13:14

'and armies shall stand on his part... and they (the armies) shall place the abomination which causes desolation'
Daniel 11:31

[Montana Marv]

28 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

It really does not matter what the Jews are preparing.  The fact remains, Jesus and the apostles were talking about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at with their own eyes.

It has been destroyed as Jesus said it would. Prophecy fulfilled.

Let's look at 2 Thes 2:4 - He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in Gods temple, proclaiming himself to be god.

Where will this temple be?  Jerusalem

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Stewardofthemystery]

24 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

Let's look at 2 Thes 2:4 - He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in Gods temple, proclaiming himself to be god.

Where will this temple be?  Jerusalem

In Christ

Montana Marv

Paul is referring to the temple of our bodies which was made for God to dwell.

1 Corinthians 6:19

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?