There are 2 separate tribulations, the first is to the Jew

[Stewardofthemystery]

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

JESUS HIMSELF TELLS US EXACTLY WHO THEY ARE AND WHO THEIR FATHER IS

Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

5But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

6And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

7And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

8But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

10Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

16Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

17Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

18And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.

19Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

20Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.

21And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.

22And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

29Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.


WHEAT AND THE TARES.  GOOD AND EVIL. THE LIVING AND THE DEAD. 

Do not be deceived by any man...by their FRUIT you shall know them...


 

AND in case NONE OF THAT IS CLEAR ENOUGH

 

8And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


and IN CASE IT WAS missed there
 

7And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

8I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

It is the children of the “flesh” that are of the “serpents seed,” not the Jewish people.

The children of the “flesh” includes all those who are “firstborn”with the “sin nature”of the serpent.  This includes both Jews and Gentiles.

The children of the “Spirit” are those who are born again from above by the Holy Spirit.

The woman’s seed refers to those who are born again from the heavenly Jerusalem.

Galatians 4:22-26

King James Version

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after “the flesh;”but he of the freewoman was by promise.(seed of promise by the Spirit)

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, ( bondage to sin) which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. ( bondage of sin)

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, (made free from sin) which is the mother of us all.”

Christ is “the seed”of promise who enters into the children “of promise”by the Holy Spirit, ( the promise of the Father)

The children born of the “flesh” are not the children of Abraham, but rather the children born again of “the Spirit”are counted for the seed.

Romans 9:8

That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise ( the Spirit)are counted for the seed.

 

[tatwo]

7 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

AS FOR WHO 'MURDERED CHRIST' that wouldn't be ROME because those in CHARGE didn't FIND HIM GUILTY and they washed their hands of His BLOOD.

Interesting forum...if I say the religious leaders of Israel "Jews" murdered the Lord Yahshua...I am accused of anti-Semitism and threatened. If I point out that Israel had no law of their own that allowed them to kill the King so they manipulated Pilate/Rome to perform the honor...that is wrong as well...Such is the state of the harlots false religion. Confusion...I maintain that both are guilty as charged...just exactly as I stated.

7 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I believe THAT PROVES what you call 'FAT CHANCE' TO actually be Truth.

 

Fine...believe as you wish DeighAnn...you have proven me wrong...without even addressing the context of my response to your initial statement which I quoted...that's likely to be the goal of your "spiritual" existence..."to be right." That way "you" are in charge of what determines who is right and who is wrong...comfortable then are you?

Tatwo...:)

 

[Michael37]

This thread was off course from its inception and has become divisive.

Civil discussions please, not character debacles.