There are 2 separate tribulations, the first is to the Jew

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

I am asking about the wrath that John preached. What is your view of that? Jesus was preaching the kingdom of God, while his disciples continued the baptism of John. That is what was going on the whole time. Jesus baptism was distinct from John's baptism.

John's baptism was repentance for the remission of Sin, to escape the wrath that was coming. The pharisees rejected the counsel of God in rejecting John's baptism.

You quote my response to stewardofthemystery why?

I have responded to your questions above in great detail already, I would appreciate you responding to my post to you in the future, thanks Anne2

Once Again:

I don't believe anything within Matthew 24, Mark 13, or Luke 21, was fulfilled in 66-70AD Jerusalem as reformed preterist eschatology teaches

You will closely note the fulfilling of the gentiles seen in the chapters described above, is also seen in Revelation 11:2, as this chapter is future, and will see the second coming at the 7th angel in Revelation 11:15 (The End)

Point Of Interest: The book of Revelation was written in 96AD while John was in prison on Patmos Island, under the Reign of Emperor Domitian 81-96AD

Yes the verse seen written in Revelation 11:2 wasn't fulfilled at the time of the writing, some 26 years "after 70AD" in Jerusalems destruction by Roman Armues

(Fulfilling Of The Gentiles (Future) Unfulfilled)

Luke 21:24KJV

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Revelation 11:2KJV

2 but the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Revelation 11:15KJV

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Edited June 18, 2023 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

27 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

I am asking about the wrath that John preached. What is your view of that? Jesus was preaching the kingdom of God, while his disciples continued the baptism of John. That is what was going on the whole time. Jesus baptism was distinct from John's baptism.

John's baptism was repentance for the remission of Sin, to escape the wrath that was coming. The pharisees rejected the counsel of God in rejecting John's baptism.

You suggest the wrath John preached about was 70AD Jerusalem I disagree

I believe the fulfilling of the gentiles is the Beginning of God's wrath, and the prophets returned in the two witnesses will bring this wrath in leteral plagues upon the world for 1260 days, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt as seen in Revelation 16:1-11

Edited June 18, 2023 by truth7t7

[Anne2]

7 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

You suggest the wrath John preached about was 70AD Jerusalem I disagree

I believe the fulfilling of the gentiles is the Beginning of God's wrath, and the prophets returned in the two witnesses will bring this wrath in leteral plagues upon the world for 1260 days, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt as seen in Revelation 16:1-11

When did the time of the Gentiles begin then?

[Alive]

25 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

I don't know what go too far means to you but, I also think what has happened, can also be similarly what can happen as well. As a shadow or form to the Church. The anti-christ is a spirit, and his tactics applicable. So, I think it could be the Anti-Christ can apply to a specific event in time, but his sprit operates in future times likewise.

Hi anne. My comment was only speaking to the destruction of the physical temple that Jesus and His disciples were gazing at.

[truth7t7]

13 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

When did the time of the Gentiles begin then?

Thanks for the response Anne2, as stated the fulfilling of the gentiles spoken of in Luke 21:24 & Revelation 11:2 below is "Future" and will begin when "Future" armies surround and occupy Jerusalem

I believe Muslim armies, that will be in response to Israel's world Judaism trying to take the present Muslim Al-Aqsa mosque, that's presently on the site of the historical Hebrew temple mount?

Luke 21:24KJV

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Revelation 11:2KJV

2 but the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Revelation 11:15KJV

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Edited June 18, 2023 by truth7t7

[Anne2]

1 minute ago, truth7t7 said:

Thanks for the response Anne2, as stated the fulfilling of the gentiles spoke of in Luke 21:24 & Revelation 11:2 is "Future" and will begin when "Future" armies surround and occupy Jerusalem, I believe Muslim armies

Luke 21:24KJV

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Revelation 11:2KJV

2 but the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Revelation 11:15KJV

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

I believe the time of the Gentiles is when we the uncircumcision, inherited the promises and blessing of Abraham, by the blood of Christ, in making a new covenant. The outward circumcision no longer makes us heirs, we inherit as Gentiles. So this is a difference between our views.

[truth7t7]

14 minutes ago, Alive said:

Hi anne. My comment was only speaking to the destruction of the physical temple that Jesus and His disciples were gazing at.

Fact is, it was a symbolic destruction spoken of in Matthew 24:2 & Mark 13:2, as John 2:19 clearly interprets the Lord's words "Destroy This Temple" and it represent his body on Calvary

John 2:19-21KJV

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

[truth7t7]

12 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

I believe the time of the Gentiles is when we the uncircumcision, inherited the promises and blessing of Abraham, by the blood of Christ, in making a new covenant. The outward circumcision no longer makes us heirs, we inherit as Gentiles. So this is a difference between our views.

Thanks for the response Anne2, I Disagree

Luke 21:24 & Revelation 11:2 speaks in the literal and not symbolic, literal armies and a literal city Jerusalem being overun and occupied/trodden down, future literal events unfulfilled

Jesus Is The Lord

Luke 21:24KJV

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Revelation 11:2KJV

2 but the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Revelation 11:15KJV

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Edited June 18, 2023 by truth7t7

[Anne2]

1 minute ago, truth7t7 said:

Thanks for the response Anne2, I Disagree

Luke 21:24 & Revelation 11:2 speaks in the literal and not symbolic, literal armies and a literal city Jerusalem being overun and occupied/trodden down

Jesus Is The Lord

Well, this may be it's fulfilment but not the beginning. We in christ escape Gods wrath, and the nations are judged upon how they treated Israel.

This may or may not be relevant, but just in case....I think we see a consistent judgement on the nations this same way from the day they left Egypt. Those nations they were to go by, attacked them without cause. They were simply going to pass through, (buy water, food of some). But God hardened their hearts (sound familiar) that they instead attacked Israel. For Egypt, just three days in the desert to offer to their God was all.

30  But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand, as appeareth this day.
 

Same thing has gone on off and on for two thousand years.

[truth7t7]

34 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

the nations are judged upon how they treated Israel.

God has no favor towards a a specific nation or ethnic people on this earth as you suggest Israel/Jews?

God has one covenant with man, the shed blood upon Calvary, he has one favor towards man, his "Church" the saved righteous 

Edited June 18, 2023 by truth7t7