Whom He Wills, He Hardens

[Mr. M]

15 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

God had decided that only the chosen descendents of Abraham were eligible to be part of his people.

Deuteronomy 23:

7 You shall not abhor an Edomite, for he is your brother.

You shall not abhor an Egyptian, because you were an alien in his land. 

8 The children of the third generation born to them may enter the assembly of the Lord.

[Mr. M]

15 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

To the contrary it is God who said to Pharaoh that "Israel is my first born and I do not want any other " (referring to the Nation of Israel).

Not exactly. But very serious!

Exodus 4:

21 And the Lord said to Moses, When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go. 

22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, Thus says the Lord: Israel is My son, My firstborn. 

23 So I say to you, let My son go that he may serve Me. But if you refuse to let him go, indeed I will kill your son, your firstborn.

[Your closest friendnt]

4 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Deuteronomy 23:

7 You shall not abhor an Edomite, for he is your brother.

You shall not abhor an Egyptian, because you were an alien in his land. 

8 The children of the third generation born to them may enter the assembly of the Lord.

Thank you. 

But this was not said to them at the time they were in Egypt and Moses asking Pharaoh to let them go. 

This was the time when the Israelites were set in the Land of Canaan. 

And it was said about the Egyptians who were living amongst themselves and wanted to be part of the Nation of God...

That not they but the children of the third generation may enter the Lord's assembly...

That is interesting...The Lord inviting the children of the third generation to joint the religious assembly...

Interesting calling the Edomite who lived amongst them "your brother"...

That will have to be a conscious decision from the part of the third generation of the Edomite to asked to be included in the Assembly of the Lord...and then his children became eligible to be Circumcised on the eight day or his children were born to the Lord...

It was the parents decision to present the new born to the Lord.

But the third generation male had to represent himself as an adult to the Lord and begin to be included in the Assembly. 

He would have to spent the first part of his life as a legible and then make his own decision, whether or not to Joint and when to Joint.

And then his children  becomes eligible to be presented to the Lord on the eight day..

The children belong to the Lord before they were Circumcised...because this is what it was written in the Law "when the first born comes male out of the womb is mine".

I am not sure that this applied to all other children. 

They had to redeemed them from the Lord..this comunicates something to us that before the Circumcision they were the Lord’s. 

When the wife of Moses did not Circumcised one of her sons wanting to keep him with her and thus separate him from the rest of the Israelites the Lord went after Moses telling him that his son was his and wanted him Circumcised...just observing what is written down. 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

7 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Not exactly. But very serious!

Exodus 4:

21 And the Lord said to Moses, When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go. 

22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, Thus says the Lord: Israel is My son, My firstborn. 

23 So I say to you, let My son go that he may serve Me. But if you refuse to let him go, indeed I will kill your son, your firstborn.

This has nothing to do with the New Covenant and about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Where Jesus has commission his disciples to go to the Egyptians and all the other nations of the world and invite them to be the people of God by faith in Jesus Christ...

Telling them that the Heavenly Father has made them eligible to be his people by faith in Jesus Christ who died for the forgiveness of their sins. 

That the same Gospel is preached to them and to the Israelites...and both in the same way are invited to be included in the people of God...the people of the Heavenly Father in Jesus Christ to have their sins forgiven in the blood of Jesus Christ. 

We are not the children of the Lord God...we cannot be the children of the Lord God no one is. 

The Heavenly Father has only children in Jesus Christ. 

We have nothing to do with the God of Moses...He is not our God...And if you look for him since 2,000 years ago you cannot find him.

You can find him only in the history books...

Unless you look at him in the same way Philip looked at him after Jesus Christ resurrection and say to Jesus that from now on you are my Lord and my God..

And all the disciples agree with him and we can tell that from the way they preached the Gospel.  

Edited June 23, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Mr. M]

17 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This has nothing to do with the New Covenant and about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Where Jesus has commission his disciples to go to the Egyptians and all the other nations of the world and invite them to be the people of God by faith in Jesus Christ...

Telling them that the Heavenly Father has made them eligible to be his people by faith in Jesus Christ who died for the forgiveness of their sins. 

That the same Gospel is preached to them and to the Israelites...and both in the same way are invited to be included in the people of God...the people of the Heavenly Father in Jesus Christ to have their sins forgiven in the blood of Jesus Christ. 

We are not the children of the Lord God...we cannot be the children of the Lord God no one is. 

The Heavenly Father has only children in Jesus Christ. 

We have nothing to do with the God of Moses...He is not our God...And if you look for him since 2,000 years ago you cannot find him.

You can find him only in the history books...

Unless you look at him in the same way Philip looked at him after Jesus Christ resurrection and say to Jesus that from now on you are my Lord and my God..

And all the disciples agree with him and we can tell that from the way they preached the Gospel.  

Obviously, the discussion was not on a NC topic. You misquoted scripture, I corrected you simply by quoting the actual verses that you maligned. Your entire response was meaningless with respect to my post. But hey, if you need to get on a soap box, you don't need to use my quotes for an excuse. Just don't reference me in the future so I don't get a notification. Hopefully it will not be necessary to ignore you, but droning on your opinions, without bothering to quote the Bible accurately is inappropriate.

[Mr. M]

26 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

We are not the children of the Lord God...we cannot be the children of the Lord God no one is. 

For Example:

2 Corinthians 6:

17 Therefore, Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.
18 I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,
Says the Lord Almighty.

Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called children of God.

To teach the New Covenant, shouldn't someone actually know the Lord's teachings and the Apostolic Doctrines?

[farouk]

Ephesians 2 says unbelievers are 'dead in trespasses and sins'; hence the need for the intervention of God's grace in the Gospel.

[Your closest friendnt]

21 hours ago, Mr. M said:

For Example:

2 Corinthians 6:

17 Therefore, Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.
18 I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,
Says the Lord Almighty.

Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called children of God.

 

Corinthians 6:17 This is a statement Paul made to the Corinthians who had believed in Jesus Christ and who came out from the worship of the Idols...Paul's instruction to them is to dissociate themselves from the worship of the Idols and to look only to Jesus Christ for everything they need.

These people Paul is speaking to they were not before in the Sinai Covenant..they were not Israelites...they were ethnic people...

The instruction is simple asking them to understand that even though they grew up in a politheistic religion from now on to have only Jesus for all their needs no matter to where they came from and no matter how they make their living.

In other words not to go after the blessings of the Idols. 

This is a sound advice.

At another time Paul considered that not all the members of the family maybe believers in Jesus Christ and the food they served in their family were food offered and blessed by the Gods of the non-believers in the family...considering that Paul is making an exception to the rule an exception that it cannot be made in the Sinai Covenant, an exception that was a departure from the rules of the Sinai Covenant and it is telling the believers that they can eat food offered to Idols without expecting the recieve the blessings the believers to Idols expect to believe...to see food as food.

Paul also had been face with his own situations and when he often Jailed the food they were given him was the food of the ethnic people. 

So Paul learned not to starved himself to death but to eat what they put infront of him and thank God for the food.

Under those sircumstances is Paul saying one thing in 2 Corinthians 6:17 not to touch any unclean thing and then himself touched and eat on a daily basis food offered to Idols and engage in activities to ender in ethnic household that make him unclean..the rules of the Sinai Covenant. 

Because if you do those things according to the Sinai Covenant you are rejected by God...

And why the second part that say that in verse 17 "And I will receive you.
18 I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,
Says the Lord Almighty."

is Paul judging his own self? By saying that he does eat what is considered unclean in the rules of the Sinai Covenant and is engaging in a behavior that makes a man unclean by the Sunai rules?.

Is Paul saying that someone is a son or daughter and can say that he is included in the blessings to call God "Father " if they follow the rules of the Sinai Covenant regarding to what is clean or unclean? 

2 Corinthians 6:17 is a quote from the Old Testament from Esaiah.  And it was said in the context to the Jews who were still in the Babylonian captivity...

It was said to people who did not believe in Jesus Christ who were not sanctified and justified by the blood of the Lamb of God, the blood of the Slain Lamb of God. 

(before the foundation of the earth God had proposed to himself to have children only by the blood of the Slain Lamb of God..Jesus Christ).

To the people that was said, people, Jewish people who were in the Babylonian captivity and they were without the benefit of Keeping their religious Calendar and were without the Atonements made in the Temple in Jerusalem (because the Temple had been destroyed) and they were wondering how would God recieve them as they were without the forgiveness of their sins by the Atonement under the Sinai Covenant...and wondering if they will die that way and about their children...and so and so...on and on..

In all those sircumstances Esaiah told them that God will bring them back to Jerusalem and he is going to do that...and no one will die from them that it will be done without war..and God told them that inspite of not being able to follow in the path of the rules of the Sinai Covenant he will accept them as his children and he will be their God and Father if they separated them selves from anything considered unclean in the Covenant of Sinai as some people stayed away from the local Idols but not all of them...he told them that he forgives them and he will considered them clean without the rules in the Sinai Covenant. 

[Your closest friendnt]

On 6/23/2023 at 3:17 PM, Mr. M said:

For Example:

2 Corinthians 6:

17 Therefore, Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.
18 I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,
Says the Lord Almighty.

Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called children of God.

To teach the New Covenant, shouldn't someone actually know the Lord's teachings and the Apostolic Doctrines?

The quote from Matthew 5:9 as it is posted it can mislead people thinking that to be the children of God they have to be peacemakers.

So anyone has to look in himself and if he founds to be a peacemaker then they can say that he is one of the children of God...

This is not the Gospel Jesus Christ commission his disciples to preach to all the Nations of the world.

This is not the Gospel the disciples preach on the day of Pentecost...

God had proposed to himself from the beginning of the world to have children justified only by the Blood of the Slain Lamb of God...this is to have their sins forgiven not by the blood of bulls and the other sacrificial animals but only by the blood of Jesus Christ and he made it that happened when Jesus Christ shed the blood of the New Covenant and died on the Cross.  There is no other way...only by the blood of Jesus Christ.  Not by being a peace maker as you suggested in Mathew 5:9 or anyother way like to put away all unclean things...as you suggested in 2 Corinthians 6:17.

Edited June 24, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Mr. M]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The quote from Matthew 5:9 as it is posted it can mislead people thinking that to be the children of God they have to be peacemakers.

Or, how to be blessed in our lives, as the beatitudes propose. "they will be called" means that is how they are recognized by others, as in "you will know them by their fruit".  

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

So anyone has to look in himself and if he founds to be a peacemaker then they can say that he is one of the children of God...

Impossible. Only found in Christ. You are the only one proposing that someone should "look inside themselves".

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This is not the Gospel Jesus Christ commission his disciples to preach to all the Nations of the world.

This is exactly what the apostles and the prophets preached. It is called "the Way of Peace". Look it up.

James 3:18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This is not the Gospel the disciples preach on the day of Pentecost...

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

Galatians 3:26 For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 

In Christ, we have the authority to become the children of God.

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 

So what must others see in us that they would call us "children of God"?

Or is it just because we say so?

You can call yourself a Christian,

but only the Holy Spirit identifies the children. 

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 

Edited June 24, 2023 by Mr. M
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