Let's discuss Revelation 17

[douggg]

23 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

I am not going to debate with you that which you can not see. I am correct, you will find out at the Pre Trib Rapture when all of Satan's blocking powers are removed. 

You can't be correct because in your crude timeline you haven't shown anything - except for the beginning and ending days..

On what day of the 2520 days, do the 1335 days of Daniel 12:12 begin ?

Edited June 22, 2023 by douggg

[Revelation Man]

14 hours ago, douggg said:

You can't be correct because in your crude timeline you haven't shown anything - except for the beginning and ending days..

On what day of the 2520 days, do the 1335 days of Daniel 12:12 begin ?

Firstly, I do nit need a timeline, because its your bag, cool, its not mine, I see add up numbers in my head. If the 1335 come 1335 days before the 2nd coming which is on day 2520 why don't just just subtract 1335 from 2520? Oh, you already know that = 1185 because I see you posting 1185 in your time line, so why pretend you do not know the number? 

Here is the gist, you do not really read the post in full, you glance at it them want to try and disprove what you haven't really read. Which is why I do not usually engage on line about deep understandings, you guys just do not want to put in the grunt work, you just want a sounding board to bounce off of. 

[douggg]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Firstly, I do nit need a timeline, because its your bag, cool, its not mine, I see add up numbers in my head. If the 1335 come 1335 days before the 2nd coming which is on day 2520 why don't just just subtract 1335 from 2520? Oh, you already know that = 1185 because I see you posting 1185 in your time line, so why pretend you do not know the number? 

When you make posts on this forum, you are communicating with others.    You did not communicate when the 1335 days of Daniel 12:12 begin in the 2520 day timeline.

It is critical to know, because it informs that the person has become the beast near the end of the 1260 days of the two witnesses.

You are claiming that the two witnesses show up 1335 days before Jesus returns and "So, the Two-witnesses are the 1335 Blessing, they show up 1335 days before the 2nd Coming "

You are leaving out words, it is 1335 days.     The text of Daniel 12:12 says nothing about the two witnesses.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Blessed is a person who does not worship the abomination of desolation image, and remains faithful to God until the 1335th day when Jesus returns.

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Here is the gist, you do not really read the post in full, you glance at it them want to try and disprove what you haven't really read. Which is why I do not usually engage on line about deep understandings, you guys just do not want to put in the grunt work, you just want a sounding board to bounce off of. 

  .......coming from someone who does not want to learn how to make timeline charts on the computer, to include in his posts.  Oh well, I don't think you are going to change.

 

 

[Revelation Man]

6 hours ago, douggg said:

When you make posts on this forum, you are communicating with others.    You did not communicate when the 1335 days of Daniel 12:12 begin in the 2520 day timeline.

 

When I explicitly state that this happens 1335 days before the 2nd Coming, this is an easy understanding of that takes place, 1335 days before the last day of the 7 years (2520 days).

6 hours ago, douggg said:

It is critical to know, because it informs that the person has become the beast near the end of the 1260 days of the two witnesses.

 

This has zero to do with the Beast the Fulcrum is the 2nd Coming

6 hours ago, douggg said:

You are claiming that the two witnesses show up 1335 days before Jesus returns and "So, the Two-witnesses are the 1335 Blessing, they show up 1335 days before the 2nd Coming "

You are leaving out words, it is 1335 days.     The text of Daniel 12:12 says nothing about the two witnesses.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Blessed is a person who does not worship the abomination of desolation image, and remains faithful to God until the 1335th day when Jesus returns.

And the 1260 is not given unto Daniel explicitly either, nor is the 1290, Jesus tells Daniel to go his way, these things will not be revealed unto him. Now, John was told about the coming False Prophet (1290) but Daniel was only told of a 1290 event where the Sacrifice is TAKEN AWAY and the AoD is set up, so why is it that could John be told about the False Prophet but Daniel could not be told about him? Requires thinking it through.

If Daniel had of been told about a coming Jewish High Priest False Prophet, then from 500ish BC all the way to Jesus and 70 AD the Jewish Leaders would have killed every other High Priest out of fear he was the one to come. So, Daniel could not have been told this was a Jewish High Priest False Prophet, but John was writing 20 years or so after the 70 AD sacking of Jerusalem, so it mattered not at that time. 

Blessed is those who are LIVING at the 1335, that's what WAITS until the 1335 means, because the Two-witnesses are sent to turn Israel back unto God BEFORE the DOTL gets here just like Malachi 4:5 says, and Zech. 13:8-9 shows that 1/3 of the Jews repent, then in the very next verse we get the DOTL.

So, yes, these THREE EVENTS are given unto Daniel with ONLY NUMBERS for a reason, and also God keeps things from Satan by giving us Prophesy in this manner. The 1290 is a Jewish High Priest False Prophet, like unto Jason(real name Yeshua) under Antiochus. He welcomed Antiochus into the temple to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus, which defiled the temple, then Jason mandated that all Jews become Hellenized. This led to the Maccabean Revolt.

Antiochus and Jason were ARCHETYPES of the coming Anti-Christ and False Prophet. 

 

[douggg]

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

If Daniel had of been told about a coming Jewish High Priest False Prophet, then from 500ish BC all the way to Jesus and 70 AD the Jewish Leaders would have killed every other High Priest out of fear he was the one to come. So, Daniel could not have been told this was a Jewish High Priest False Prophet, but John was writing 20 years or so after the 70 AD sacking of Jerusalem, so it mattered not at that time. 

There is nothing in Revelation that the false prophet will be a Jewish High Priest.

[douggg]

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Blessed is those who are LIVING at the 1335, that's what WAITS until the 1335 means, because the Two-witnesses are sent to turn Israel back unto God BEFORE the DOTL gets here just like Malachi 4:5 says, and Zech. 13:8-9 shows that 1/3 of the Jews repent, then in the very next verse we get the DOTL.

I have now idea of what you are trying to communicate.    There is nothing about the two witnesses in Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

The 1260 days that the two witnesses prophesy are in the first half of the 7 years.

 

[Revelation Man]

9 hours ago, douggg said:

I have now idea of what you are trying to communicate.    There is nothing about the two witnesses in Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

The 1260 days that the two witnesses prophesy are in the first half of the 7 years.

 

Yes there is you just can not grasp it, there was passages about Jesus first coming that the Pharisees could not see either. It seems to be way over your capabilities of comprehending. The Two-witnesses can not be in the FIRST HALF and die at the 2nd Woe, you guys just do not understand the TIMELINES. 

Do you even try? I mean everyone knows Gods' Wrath lasts for 1260 days, and thus when we see the Two-witnesses DIE at the 2nd Woe, and the Beast dying via the 7th Vial which is the 3rd Woe ending, no one really thinks God's Woes are in the first half of the 70th week. Where do even get this at? 

The Two-witnesses PRAY DOWN all of God's Plagues during the last 3.5 years, yes they die 75 days before the 2nd Coming, but notice when they die it states the 3rd Woe comes QUICKLY. Not understanding that the book of Revelation is not in Chronological Order gives one no hope at understanding the end time timelines overall, but ANYONE can understand that the Two-witnesses pray down all the Plagues, then DIE at the end of the 2nd Woe, just before Jesus' return.

[douggg]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Yes there is you just can not grasp it, there was passages about Jesus first coming that the Pharisees could not see either. It seems to be way over your capabilities of comprehending.

The problem is not with my comprehension abilities, but with your communication abilities.    For example, you don't write 1260 days, nor 1290 days, but instead, but write the 1260 and the 1290.    What is wrong?   Is your computer got a program in it that does not allow you write 1260 days and 1290 days?

 

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Two-witnesses can not be in the FIRST HALF and die at the 2nd Woe, you guys just do not understand the TIMELINES. 

funny coming for someone who doesn't make timeline charts.

The 2nd woe of the huge armies killing a third of mankind is in Revelation 9, to take place near the end of the 7 years.

You say the two witnesses killed at the 2nd woe - but that is not what it means in Revelation 11:14 that one woe is passed, the third will come shortly.    The angel was referring to that John had already been shown the second woe, and he would shortly be shown what the third woe will be- which is in Revelation 12:12, the next chapter.

The 1260 days (first half of the seven years) of the two witnesses is the 1260 days in Revelation 12:6, as well.    Which is followed by Satan and his angels cast down to earth.   Which Satan's time left is the time/times/half time of Revelation 12:14 (the second half of the seven years)

 

 

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Two-witnesses PRAY DOWN all of God's Plagues during the last 3.5 years, yes they die 75 days before the 2nd Coming, but notice when they die it states the 3rd Woe comes QUICKLY.

. The two witness battle with the beast the last 75 days of their 1260 days of their first half of the seven year of prophesying.   They call down trumpet judgments 1-4.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2023 by douggg

[douggg]

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Two-witnesses can not be in the FIRST HALF and die at the 2nd Woe, you guys just do not understand the TIMELINES. 

Revelation Man, go look at James Albright's thread on an End Times Timeline he made.

And look at my last post on page 2 of that thread, after several modifications of my own regarding his chart, and where I think he made some mistakes.   

 

[Revelation Man]

22 hours ago, douggg said:

There is nothing in Revelation that the false prophet will be a Jewish High Priest.

There doesn't have to be, that is why God tells us HERE A LITTLE, THERE A LITTLE, PRECEPT UPON PRECEPT. God did not say in this day Jesus would be born, a few men dug out the clues (Wise men, and the Old man who knew the Messiah was being birthed).

So, I did an Exegesis on  Dan. 11 & 12, its on here. As I looked into every verse I saw that Dan. 11:22 was about the High Priest.

22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

Below is what my research concluded on vs. 22

The High Priest, Onias III (prince of the covenant) was replaced via a conspiracy involving the high priests brother Jason and Antiochus Epiphanes but his brother was also double crossed when another priest bribed Antiochus Epiphanes with even more money, it seems Antiochus was for sale at all times for a price, Jason's real name was Yeshua, he favored the Hellenization of Jerusalem/Israel, where as his brother Onias III was a pious man of God who was put to death.

Now, this DID NOT REGISTER with me my friend douggg, until a couple of years later. That is how God works at time, as we both know. Suddenly it hit me, of course, if God gave us an Archetype of the coming Anti-Christ in Antiochus, then He would also give us his SIDEKICK Archetype also, and they would both have to work together, like the future Anti-Christ & False Prophet. And upon further research I learned yes, not only did Jason favor Hellenism over Judaism, (meaning he thought the ways of their old God was not the way to go, he though the Hellenistic lifestyle was what Israel should aspire unto and his actions prove this, WATCH) but Jason welcomed Antiochus into the Temple of God to offer a Sacrifice on the Altar of God, unto Zeus !! This was an Abomination, this defiled the Temple, thus Hanukkah is a celebration of the temple being cleansed because of this defilement. Then Jason MANDATED that ALL Jews become Hellenized, leading unto the infamous Maccabean Wars. Jason is in 6 or 7 chapters in the Book of Maccabeans, read it. (2 Maccabees 4:7-10:9) Also, google Jason (High Priest) Wikipedia has a huge article on him.

But, looking back, we see that Antiochus defiled the Temple like the coming Anti-Christ will do, he killed 60-90K Jews, and he appointed a High Priest who betrayed his own people, just like the coming False Prophet will do. So, Jason is an ARCHETYPE False Prophet to come thus the False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest. The SHADOW God gave us did not just give us ONE TYPE, it gave us BOTH TYPES working together at the exact same time, else it would not be a true SHADOW of things to come. 

So, by bible study which led me to Onias III and his brother Jason, I used research to tell me the full story. Then I added it all up. REMEMBER, Rev. 13 says he comes out of the Earth, this means Land, this means Israel, not the Sea in which all of the Gentiles Rulers came out of. He is also a False Prophet, the Prophets were all Jewish.