Let's discuss Revelation 17

[douggg]

46 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Benjamin netanyahu is the phony king of Israel.But that's who Babylon wanted so that what Babylon got.

To become the phony King of Israel, the person will have be anointed the King of Israel by the false prophet.

The reason the person is called the false prophet is because for a while, the Jews will think he is the prophet Elijah come - which the Jews are expecting Elijah to come and be part of the beginning of the messianic age.

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The possible candidates that I see are...

Zelensky - to become the Antichrist

The Yanuka - Rav Shlomo Yehuda to become the false prophet

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The Gog/Magog event I think is close.   Netanyahu may be Prime Minister at the time of the Gog/Magog invasion.   

 

Edited June 19, 2023 by douggg

[Shilohsfoal]

8 hours ago, douggg said:

To become the phony King of Israel, the person will have be anointed the King of Israel by the false prophet.

The reason the person is called the false prophet is because for a while, the Jews will think he is the prophet Elijah come - which the Jews are expecting Elijah to come and be part of the beginning of the messianic age.

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The possible candidates that I see are...

Zelensky - to become the Antichrist

The Yanuka - Rav Shlomo Yehuda to become the false prophet

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The Gog/Magog event I think is close.   Netanyahu may be Prime Minister at the time of the Gog/Magog invasion.   

 

No,the false prophet is given to Israel by the king of the north 42 months before the time of the end.The daily sacrifice is abolished about that time.The false prophet occupies Jerusalem for 42 months giving the armed forces the command to fire.

The false prophet will practice the authority of the Israeli government on its behalf and at that time Benjamin's Netanyahus cashless society is finished and the Israelis recieve the mark Benjamin netanyahu was speaking of a couple years ago.

Edited June 19, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[douggg]

35 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

No,the false prophet is given to Israel by the king of the north 42 months before the time of the end.The daily sacrifice is abolished about that time.The false prophet occupies Jerusalem for 42 months giving the armed forces the command to fire.

How do you ever come up with that scenario ?

[Revelation Man]

17 hours ago, douggg said:

False Religion is associated with Rome, the seven mountains upon which the woman sits, verse 9 ?

What about Islam and Hinduism ?   Aren't those false religions ?

Its not Rome, as I stated, False Religion is WORLD WIDE, the Harlot is thus a WORLD WIDE entity, that is why she is shown as giving wine to all, the kings and all the peoples in all of the nations.

All Religions are false accept the one that serves the God of Abraham BY FAITH. (Christianity & I might add it used to be Judaism when the lived by faith, an d it still can be, they just have to believe Jesus is their Messiah, of course).

Edited June 19, 2023 by Revelation Man

[Shilohsfoal]

54 minutes ago, douggg said:

How do you ever come up with that scenario ?

It's in the bible.

You get a better understanding of scripture by comparing scripture.

You look at revelation 13 so peaking of he second beast and you read how he does marvelous things such as making fire come down out of heaven and you understand the beast before him only has 42 months to continue as revelation says.

Revelation 13

¹³ And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

¹⁴ And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 

 

Then you read of the son of perdition in 2 thes 2 who 

2 thes 2

 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

¹⁰ And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

 

Then you read how this man places his armed forces in Israel and how the saints in Israel  are persecuted soon after.

 

Daniel 11

His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.

Those who are wise will instruct many, though for a time they will fall by the sword or be burned or captured or plundered.

 

Understand this persecution of the saints in Israel continues for a time ,times and a half as stated in Daniel 12 ,we understand this is the same time period these saints are persecuted by the beast of revelation 13.

Daniel 12:7

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Revelation 13:5

⁵ And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 

This is the same forty two months period the two leaders of these gentile armed forces in Daniel 11:31 and revelation 13:13 occupy Jerusalem as the gentiles in revelation 11:2-5

 

Revelation 11:2-5

² But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

³ And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

⁴ These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

⁵ And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

 

During this forty two months period,these two leaders will be giving the fire command to the armed forces of the north to destroy all their enemies who attempt to come against Jerusalem.Fire will be coming down out of heaven for these forty two months devouring their enemies untill the end of 1260 days  ,then they are killed.

3.5 days later is the day of the Lord where both those who have done good and those who have done wickedly are resurected in Israel.

Those who have done good are resurected to eternal life and those who have done wickedly as the false prophet are resurected to everlasting contempt.

Daniel 12;2

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

[Revelation Man]

12 hours ago, douggg said:

There were not any false religions in the garden of eden when the first person was slain.

Mystery Babylon the Great is responsible for all slain upon the earth.   Revelation 18:24.

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

You forget, there was no sin until Satan desired to be like unto God the Most High. 

But Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden before Cain slew Able (come on brother). But, even that killing was via False Religion, Cain was jealous of Ables "OFFERING unto God". But, remember, this verse is saying that all the blood of the Saints & Martyrs of Jesus came at False Religions hands, not all the Murders throughout history. So, that passage is only talking about the murders in the context of people killed because of their service unto the God of Abraham. A person being killed because they served in a war or served Zeus would not count as a Martyr. So, the blood of the Prophets and Saints signify who are being spoken about in the passage. Don't add in all the world in general brother.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

6 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Its not Rome, as I stated, False Religion is WORLD WIDE, the Harlot is thus a WORLD WIDE entity, that is why she is shown as giving wine to al, the kings and all the peoples in all of the nations.

All Religions are false accept the one that serves the God of Abraham BY FAITH. (Christianity).

Apparently ,Babylon's merchants would not agree with you.They will watch the smoke of her burning while she is being tormented.They are not tormented nor do they burn.But she sure is.

I do believe this is apostate Israel though.Intel just decided to invest another 25 billion in her.Watch that money go up in smoke .

 

 

Revelation 18

¹⁷ For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

¹⁸ And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

¹⁹ And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

[Shilohsfoal]

6 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

You forget, there was no sin until Satan desired to be like unto God the Most High. 

But Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden before Cain slew Able (come on brother). But, even that killing was via False Religion, Cain was jealous of Ables "OFFERING unto God". But, remember, this verse is saying that all the blood of the Saints & Martyrs of Jesus came at False Religions hands, not all the Murders throughout history. So, that passage is only talking about the murders in the context of people killed because of their service unto the God of Abraham. A person being killed because they served in a war or served Zeus would not count as a Martyr. So, the blood of the Prophets and Saints signify who are being spoken about in the passage. Don't add in all the world in general brother.

 

Time to place blame where blame  is due.

Mathew 23

³⁴ Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

³⁵ That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

 

It's almost time for the wise men to go to Jerusalem and be killed.

[Revelation Man]

12 hours ago, douggg said:

In Revelation 17:10, it says kings, not kingdoms.     The 7 kings are all of one kingdom.

 

Not so, Kings TURN INTO Kingdoms, the Beasts were called kings in Dan. 7:17 but we know they eventually turned into Kingdoms. The reason they are called "Kings" in Rev. 17:10 is God is trying to relay a message, the Last King will be ONE MAN, so each Kingdom that FALLS is signified that the fall is under one king, of course, not two kings or more, that is nit possible. The simple message here is that the LAST BEAST both ARISES & FALLS, where as none of the other Beasts both Arose and Fell, this is why the last beast is referring unto a MAN and not a Kingdom per se. You would agree that every kingdom that fell had only one king at the helm when they fell right?  

I do not even know how one comes up with 7 Kings who fell from one kingdom tbh. This is just a wild play at trying to name the RCC and Rome as this entity, it is not even remotely possible. Take in ALL THE CLUES into consideration my brother, the RCC nor Rome was around for the Martyrs of ALL the Saints, both Israeli Saints AND the Martyrs of Jesus. God merely told us that out of the 7 Powers that Arise, there will be 7 kings at the helm when they fall, ONLY the end time Anti-Christ (short reign of 42 months as a Beast) will both ARISE as the Beast who Conquers Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region and FALL as that same Beast, none of the other six Kingdoms had kings both arose and fell as the Beast, they al became Beast Kingdoms, the last Beast is ONE MAN. 

13 hours ago, douggg said:

Revelation Man,  you need to work on perfecting your terminology regarding the arch-villain of the end times. 

The person is "the Antichrist" only for the period of time he is in the role of being the phony King of Israel.    Which is most of the first half of the seven years.

He is The Anti-Christ from birth until death because he is against Christ Jesus. He is only the Beast who conquers Israel and Mediterranean Sea Region (MSR) for 42 months.  So, while he is the Best for only 42 months, he has earned the name tag Anti-Christ for his whole life because he is against God. He is the King or President of the E.U. and Israel joins the E.U. that is the Agreement (Covenant) they enter into.

13 hours ago, douggg said:

For the 42 months, which is basically the second half of the seven years, he is no longer the Antichrist the phony King of Israel, but has become "the beast king", dictator of the EU.

 

Not so, reevaluate your terminology brother, he is ALWAYS Anti-Christ. 

13 hours ago, douggg said:

Work on those two things, when to refer to the person as "the Antichrist" and when to refer to the person as "the beast king".

The person as the Antichrist phony King of Israel is not even in Revelation 17.     The person is in Revelation 17 as king 7 and 8 - of the Roman Empire (the EU in the end times).

No, King 8 is a Demon named Apollyon, King 7 is the Anti-Christ/Beast. Neither are of the "Roman Empire" who was the 6th King to fall. The Roman Empire was the kingdom that received the Mortal Wound. The 10 Kings (E.U.) arise out of the 6th Empire or Fourth Beasts Head, THEN the 7th King (Little Horn) is born IN the E.U. or in Greece (Dan. 8:9 mandates this) which is IN the E.U. 

13 hours ago, douggg said:

little horn - leader of the EU ten kings.   King 7 of the Roman Empire (the EU in the end times)

 

No, he is the LEADER of the 7th Beast who CONQUERS Israel, that goes from Egypt, to Rome then ends via the Anti-Christ ALL 7 KINGDOMS FALL. Why is this not understood? Its not complex brother, you so want this to be the RCC and Rome so bad you fell the need try and force it into existence. 

13 hours ago, douggg said:

then becomes the prince who shall come following Gog/Magog

 

In reality you have this backwards, why do you Israel joins the E.U.? (They do, that is the Covenant they enter into with the Anti-Christ, who later becomes The Beast) They join the E.U. because of the Gog & Magog War in which Israel are threatened by Russia, Turkey and Iran, where it is stated God defeats them Himself by fire, maybe God uses the E.U. (I have no clue on that) or maybe God Himself destroys them, however, Israel deems it an urgent imperative that they need a PROTECTOR, like the USA is a protector of Hawaii so to speak. Thus they enter into an Agreement with the E.U. to become a member state, this is what sets off God's 70th week wrath, this is when the Church will get Rapture pre 70th week. It is not Israel's land to sign away, this is God's Holy Land. Amen. So the prince to come (Anti-Christ) welcomes Israel into the E.U. and he gets the to give up their Nukes, that is the only way Israel can get Conquered by anyone effortlessly. 

13 hours ago, douggg said:

then becomes "the Antichrist", phony King of Israel

 

The Anti-Christ is a term that simply means against God.

13 hours ago, douggg said:

then becomes the revealed man of sin - time as the Antichrist, phony king of Israel is over at that point.

 

He is only REVEALED when he Conquers Israel at the mid way point.

13 hours ago, douggg said:

then becomes "the beast king" -   King 8 of the Roman Empire (the EU in end times), dictator of the EU, the kingdom of the ten kings

 

King 8 is Apollyon. 

[douggg]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Not so, Kings TURN INTO Kingdoms, the Beasts were called kings in Dan. 7:17 but we know they eventually turned into Kingdoms.

The 4 kings Dan 7:17 were prominent kings of kingdoms that for each already existed.

The ten kings and little horn come out of the fourth kingdom, the Roman empire.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

do not even know how one comes up with 7 Kings who fell from one kingdom tbh.

They are sequential kings of the Julio Claudian bloodline who ruled the Roman Empire .

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

This is just a wild play at trying to name the RCC and Rome as this entity, it is not even remotely possible.

I am not saying that the Roman Empire is the woman.    The text is saying that the woman is associated with Rome.      And that the 7 kings are associated with Rome.

The woman in a religious sense.    The 7 kings in a political sense.  

The Vatican.     And the Roman Empire.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

No, King 8 is a Demon named Apollyon, King 7 is the Anti-Christ/Beast. Neither are of the "Roman Empire" who was the 6th King to fall. The Roman Empire was the kingdom that received the Mortal Wound. The 10 Kings (E.U.) arise out of the 6th Empire or Fourth Beasts Head, THEN the 7th King (Little Horn) is born IN the E.U. or in Greece (Dan. 8:9 mandates this) which is IN the E.U. 

Daniel 7 says the ten kings arise out of the fourth kingdom of the four kingdoms of Daniel 7, which is the Roman Empire, the EU in the end times.    There are not 7 kingdoms in Revelation 17:10.

Daniel 8:9 is not saying that the person is born in Greece, but that he waxes strong from the Greece.  

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

No, he is the LEADER of the 7th Beast who CONQUERS Israel, that goes from Egypt, to Rome then ends via the Anti-Christ ALL 7 KINGDOMS FALL. Why is this not understood? Its not complex brother, you so want this to be the RCC and Rome so bad you fell the need try and force it into existence. 

I am not the one changing the text of Revelation 17:10 from kings to kingdoms.   You are.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

In reality you have this backwards, why do you Israel joins the E.U.?

I have never said, nor indicated that Israel joins the EU.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Thus they enter into an Agreement with the E.U. to become a member state, this is what sets off God's 70th week wrath, this is when the Church will get Rapture pre 70th week.

Israel does enter into an agreement to become a member state of the EU.   They are not even part of the European continent.