The Lords 2 anointed witnesses

[tatwo]

Greetings abcdef…I appreciate your passion and recognize that you have poured over these things for years…you are diligent.

Mine is not to “convince” another their belief is wrong…as I see it I am to “clearly” put forth what I have learned while watching carefully for a more “clear revelation” as a result of these interactions with brothers and sisters. As long as that is happening I remain in the battle. When someone presses me with a false doctrine I push back…to a point.

You and I have what appear to be “irreconcilable at this time” differences on the Israel of antiquity and their role in the future.

I really think that a follower of Christ should follow the “prophetic pathway” that they are shown by the Lord Yahshua Christ…as their own…not many are actually called to divide and interpret the mind of God…and if those who are not called to that…continue to do so they will soon be disappointed.

7 hours ago, abcdef said:

Is what your saying then, that 2 Christian men can get married?

Can you tell why 2 men who are Christian should not get married?

After all, there is no male or female in the kingdom, as you say.

Well I am not one these “believers” that agree that 2 "Christian" men can get married for what should be obvious reasons…

These questions only further reveal the gulf between our beliefs…I see these questions as coming from the same spirit that Nicodemus had when he asked the Lord how he was to “once again enter his mother’s womb to be born again?” The Lord did not respond to that question at all.

If at this point abcdef I have not made my beliefs clear about ones citizenship in the spiritual kingdom of God on earth and in heaven as well…what more could I say?

Tatwo...:)

[Shilohsfoal]

On 1/2/2024 at 10:37 PM, abcdef said:

Friends, understand this one thing,

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This planet will end in fire exactly 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to the kings of the east from across the Euphrates, Iran and it's allies.

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This event is about to happen.

Iran and it's allies will defeat Israel and take Jerusalem soon.

The 2 witnesses returned to Jerusalem in 1967 when Jerusalem was restored.

This ended the statue of Dan 2 and the times of the gentiles in Lk 21:24.

Now the Dan 2 stone is about to strike. It is followed by the last wheat/chaff judgment of Rev 20:11-15, and eternity.

The stone of Dan 2 is not the kingdom, it is Jesus, the 7th vial/bowl and the fire from heaven of Rev 20:9.

What you are not seeing is that we are at the very end of the planet earth prophecies, not waiting for them to start.

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We all have had discussions and heard what we each have to say, but I tell you now, that we are at the very end before Jesus comes for the kingdom at the 7th/last trumpet.

You see, all of the different passages of the Revelation are showing the same time line in parallel, basically, 37 AD- the resur/rapt.

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The 2 witnesses who are now testifying in Jerusalem are the children of Israel, both believing and unbelieving. The time of the gentile trampling of Jerusalem is over since 1967.

Now the 2 witness will be killed by the Roman beast who had ALREADY deceived the kings who are east of Jerusalem.

The Vatican recognized Palestine in 2013, and signed the Vatican-Iran treaty in 2015.

The Roman beast is about to destroy Israel by using Iran and their allies to do it.

The war of Armageddon is going on right now. The battle of Armageddon is the last battle that ends with Jerusalem falling.

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Do want a concrete sign, that will absolutely prove what I am saying?

Here it is, The children of Israel are the ones who lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days, and when that happens, then you will know positively, that the resur/rapt of the 7th/last trumpet is about to happen.

Jesus will come for the kingdom and this planet will end in fire.

Unfortunately, when people realize this, there will only be days or hours left of human life on this planet.

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Look at the middle east, Israel is surrounded. 1/2 the size of the Netherlands, 1/2 the size of Belgium, Israel is a tiny nation.

When the end comes it will come quickly.

All that has to happen, is for the USA to stop supplying Israel.

 Right now, there are some in congress who are holding up funding for this very thing, the defense of Israel. If that happens, ......

Maybe that is why I am so pressed about this. 

We are not at the beginning of the Revelation, we are at the very last scenes on planet earth, the end of the material world.

We are at the place where the 2 witnesses are killed before the resur/rapt.

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Believe me or don't believe me, either way, you will when Israel is lying in the streets of Jerusalem and Iran and their allies are celebrating that Israel is dead.

You saw what they did to the children of Israel when they attacked, they showed no mercy, they are trained to kill Israel without mercy, like the Satanic angels released from across the Euphrates. Satanic spirits in men, attacking from the east.

This still might be a year or so ahead from now, or months away. I don't know.

But I do know this, that it will happen.

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Everything is in place, the kings of the east are attacking restored Jerusalem, support for Israel is falling, the valley of Armageddon is waiting for the kings of the east.

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It's 3.5 days after the beast from the abyss takes Jerusalem that the United States armed forces place the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem and about every other city in the middle east from Iran to Egypt .The United States is not going to allow the Muslims who conquer Israel to have Israel's nuclear weapons so the United states nukes them all.This is not the end of the world.Its just the end of the middle east as we know it.Jesus will save what is his and resurrect Israel from the dead.Then the kingdom of Israel will be founded with Christ as king.An everlasting kingdom that will never be destroyed.

 

 

Edited January 4, 2024 by Shilohsfoal

[abcdef]

20 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Thanks for your response! 

My Brother, keep focusing on the iron in the statue of Dan 2 and on the 4th beast of Dan 7.

The Dan 2 iron is Rome. The 4th beast of Dan 7 is Rome.

Focus on the last moments of the 4th beast, at the very end of the 3 1/2 times, and when they have ended.

Since the timelines are parallel, it means that the iron in Dan 2 must also come to an end.

When the rule of the iron/4th beast ends, when the iron nation ends, there are no more nations that rule over the children of Israel after that.

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When does that happen? When does the rule of Rome/Vatican, end it's rule over the children of Israel?

Hasn't that already happened? Or does the Roman/Vatican still rule over the children of Israel?

Now the children of Israel rule over themselves and Jerusalem.

Hasn't the iron already ended?

What nation rules over the children of Israel and Jerusalem, right now?

 

[abcdef]

16 hours ago, tatwo said:

Greetings abcdef…I appreciate your passion and recognize that you have poured over these things for years…you are diligent.

Mine is not to “convince” another their belief is wrong…as I see it I am to “clearly” put forth what I have learned while watching carefully for a more “clear revelation” as a result of these interactions with brothers and sisters. As long as that is happening I remain in the battle. When someone presses me with a false doctrine I push back…to a point.

By discussing things we all learn. I have changed my mind about some things in the past, if there is scriptural proof.

And of course, some of these things have been debated over centuries. 

I do know this, that discussion is a profit on both sides and should not be viewed as a losing by either side.

 

16 hours ago, tatwo said:

You and I have what appear to be “irreconcilable at this time” differences on the Israel of antiquity and their role in the future.

I'm sure that there are many other issues that we would agree on.

 

16 hours ago, tatwo said:

I really think that a follower of Christ should follow the “prophetic pathway” that they are shown by the Lord Yahshua Christ…as their own…not many are actually called to divide and interpret the mind of God…and if those who are not called to that…continue to do so they will soon be disappointed.

God chooses to reveal prophecy to the mind and heart that seeks Him. But He wants us to search the scriptures and each other, to sometimes reveal the prophecies of the scriptures by way of each other. So everyone should continue to exchange ideas. It is up to Him if we understand or not. 

It is my personal belief that all prophecies will, and are, being revealed.

 

16 hours ago, tatwo said:

Well I am not one these “believers” that agree that 2 "Christian" men can get married for what should be obvious reasons…

Obvious reasons, yes.

 

16 hours ago, tatwo said:

These questions only further reveal the gulf between our beliefs…I see these questions as coming from the same spirit that Nicodemus had when he asked the Lord how he was to “once again enter his mother’s womb to be born again?” The Lord did not respond to that question at all.

John 3:1-21, Jesus did respond to the question. 

As far as the spirit of Nicodemus, I never met the man, so I don't know enough to judge his spirit. But maybe his spirit moved from darkness to knowledge and was changed after that.

 

16 hours ago, tatwo said:

If at this point abcdef I have not made my beliefs clear about ones citizenship in the spiritual kingdom of God on earth and in heaven as well…what more could I say?

Tatwo...:)

I do have a question for you.

Can you explain the circumstances around the death of the 2 witnesses?

They are killed in earthly Jerusalem, where Jesus was crucified, they lay in the streets for 3 1/2 days, and then are resurrected.

Is it the church that is killed?

How do they lay in the streets of Jerusalem?

What does their resurrection mean?

 

[abcdef]

8 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

It's 3.5 days after the beast from the abyss takes Jerusalem that the United States armed forces place the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem and about every other city in the middle east from Iran to Egypt .The United States is not going to allow the Muslims who conquer Israel to have Israel's nuclear weapons so the United states nukes them all.This is not the end of the world.Its just the end of the middle east as we know it.Jesus will save what is his and resurrect Israel from the dead.Then the kingdom of Israel will be founded with Christ as king.An everlasting kingdom that will never be destroyed.

Who are the 2 witnesses, and how do they fit into the timeline that you have posted?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

Who are the 2 witnesses, and how do they fit into the timeline that you have posted?

 

The two witnesses are most likely "Christian" generals who arrive with the norths armed forces in Daniel 11:31.The armed forces are the gentiles who occupy Israel for 42 months untill they are attacked in Daniel 11:40.

 

Revelation 11

. ² But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. ³ And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.

 

The two christians have authority over those armed forces and give them commands to fire upon anyone who tries to harm them.

Revelation 11

⁵ And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Fire commands are oral orders issued by leaders to focus and distribute fires as required achieving decisive effects against the enemy. They allow leaders to rapidly and concisely articulate their firing instructions using a standard format (Refer to TC 3-20.31-4 for more information).

 

 

They are most likely in the United States armed forces now.I believe Donald Trump will send them to Israel after the election to protect Israel and keep Israel safe.

[Shilohsfoal]

5 hours ago, abcdef said:

Who are the 2 witnesses, and how do they fit into the timeline that you have posted?

 

PS

The United states armed forces nukes the middle east in Daniel 11:40-44

 

⁴⁰ “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. ⁴¹ He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. ⁴² He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. ⁴³ He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites^[a] in submission. ⁴⁴ But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. 

[tatwo]

You are persistent…abcdef...and that is admirable…:)

This that you want to discuss…Revelation 11…is a challenging and amazing chapter and the full Spirit born revelation of it has not always been available…as it would seem...thereby...it is understandably difficult due to the maturity required to "reveal" it and to "teach" it. Here is a brief…as I see it.

7 hours ago, abcdef said:

I do have a question for you.

Can you explain the circumstances around the death of the 2 witnesses?

Sure I can…

7 hours ago, abcdef said:

They are killed in earthly Jerusalem, where Jesus was crucified, they lay in the streets for 3 1/2 days, and then are resurrected.

They are not limited to the streets of “earthly Jerusalem.” It says the “great city” which mystically is called “Sodom and Egypt”…where…clearly Yahshua…”was not” crucified…so this carries a “spiritual understanding” and the spirit of “Jerusalem”…is lumped in here with “Sodom and Egypt.”

That is because this is all being done in the spirit…that was present in Sodom, present in Egypt, and present in Jerusalem. So it refers to the ancient order of opposing the things of God found in:

Sodom, which is perversion…sodomy is equated with perversion.

Egypt, where they are brutally subservient to the economic interests of Pharaoh

Jerusalem, which is where the Lord was crucified, which is the opposition to the truth, and the establishment of that which is false…with the intent of supplanting the truth.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

7 hours ago, abcdef said:

Is it the church that is killed?

No…it is a number of the “sons of God”…or the “One New Man”…that you…abcdef…seem to have yet to realize exists.

7 hours ago, abcdef said:

How do they lay in the streets of Jerusalem?

Dead…as “they” will be scattered about the entire earth…every tribe, tongue, nation and people. Of course it is possible even likely…that there could be a constituency of the “two witnesses” in the streets of what is called Jerusalem, Israel.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

7 hours ago, abcdef said:

What does their resurrection mean?

That they testified on the earth for “3-1/2 years”…just like their “Royal Priest”…and when “they” have “finished their testimony”…they will be “murdered” just like the “Lamb of God” and for the same purpose.

Then the “nations” will have to “look at” those…from the “peoples and tribes and tongues and nations”…in death…for 3-1/2 days…in like fashion as the “Son of God” who was dead for 3-1/2 days…however their dead bodies…“lie in the street”… because no one will be permitted to put their dead bodies in a tomb.

Then after the 3-1/2 days, “the breath of life from God comes into them, and they stand upon their feet; and great fear fell upon those who were watching them. And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." (Rev 11:11-12)

As they begin to “ascend” on up into heaven in the cloud…again this is in like manner as the Lord Yahshua Christ who ascended as…”a cloud received Him out of their sight”…as their enemies watch them and in all of this commotion the “Seventh angel sounds.”

Tatwo...:)