Do we have to sin

[Vine Abider]

12 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

Do we have to sin? Tough question. I would say if your going out and sinning intentionally, with pre meditation, then you have a problem. The Bible has a lot to say about unrepentant sin, and if your intentionally sinning, then it's unrepentant. 

But, if your going through your day and someone cuts you off in traffic and out goes the bird out of reflex...well, it's still sin as it's not loving, and you should still try and make it right (ask God for forgiveness, if possible apologize to the party wronged etc) but it wasn't pre meditated. It was our human nature that takes over.

So do we have to sin? We shouldn't sin. Ever. 

Do we sin? Can we legitimately live in this planet without sinning? That's an entirely different question.

And just to clarify, did Jesus die for the sins one commits intentionally . . . and is there condemnation for those in Christ Jesus who do?

[Mr. M]

57 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

And just to clarify, did Jesus die for the sins one commits intentionally . . . and is there condemnation for those in Christ Jesus who do?

Willful vs unintentional sin

Hebrews 10:

26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 

27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 

28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 

29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

Leviticus 4:

2 Speak to the children of Israel, saying: If a person sins unintentionally against any of the commandments of the Lord in anything which ought not to be done, and does any of them, 

3 if the anointed priest sins, bringing guilt on the people, then let him offer to the Lord for his sin which he has sinned a young bull without blemish as a sin offering. 

13 Now if the whole congregation of Israel sins unintentionally, and the thing is hidden from the eyes of the assembly, and they have done something against any of the commandments of the Lord in anything which should not be done, and are guilty; 

14 when the sin which they have committed becomes known, then the assembly shall offer a young bull for the sin, and bring it before the tabernacle of meeting.

The only sacrifices for intentional sin is the day of Atonement, and that not for the sinner but to cleanse the Sanctuary, and prevent the land from puking out the people. And so it is with Christ and His perfect sacrifice.

Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten.

Therefore be zealous and repent. 

[Vine Abider]

10 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Willful vs unintentional sin

Hebrews 10:

26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 

27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 

28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 

29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

Leviticus 4:

2 Speak to the children of Israel, saying: If a person sins unintentionally against any of the commandments of the Lord in anything which ought not to be done, and does any of them, 

3 if the anointed priest sins, bringing guilt on the people, then let him offer to the Lord for his sin which he has sinned a young bull without blemish as a sin offering. 

13 Now if the whole congregation of Israel sins unintentionally, and the thing is hidden from the eyes of the assembly, and they have done something against any of the commandments of the Lord in anything which should not be done, and are guilty; 

14 when the sin which they have committed becomes known, then the assembly shall offer a young bull for the sin, and bring it before the tabernacle of meeting.

The only sacrifices for intentional sin is the day of Atonement, and that not for the sinner but to cleanse the Sanctuary, and prevent the land from puking out the people. And so it is with Christ and His perfect sacrifice.

Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten.

Therefore be zealous and repent. 

So Christ didn't die for intentional sins?  Ah oh, guess I'm toast!

[Mr. M]

1 minute ago, Vine Abider said:

So Christ didn't die for intentional sins?  Ah oh, guess I'm toast!

Did you confess them?

Smear a little H.S. anointing on that toast!

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just

to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

It is the sin that we keep secret that will destroy our testimony,

and render the power of the Gospel ineffectual. Confession is for

our carnal humiliation. Or, as DC Talk sang:

"Confession is the road to healing, forgiveness the promised land."

Psalm 90:8 Thou hast set our iniquities before thee,

our secret sins in the light of thy countenance.

Hebrews 3:

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 

13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 

14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 

15 while it is said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

And so we pray:

Psalm 19:

12 Who can understand his errors?
Cleanse me from secret faults.
13 Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins;
Let them not have dominion over me.
Then I shall be blameless,
And I shall be innocent of great transgression.

14 Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
Be acceptable in Your sight,
O Lord, my strength and my Redeemer.

[TheBlade]

22 hours ago, Abdull said:

My brothers i have been in thinking about things, and i think now that if we dont sin a little bit then wouldnt have jesus have died for nothing? I do not know if this is correct but please tell me about what you think about this

I answer this as if your asking me. Since I LOVE music a song comes to mind "Goodbye old me" 

"Goodbye ole me, I'm not myself ,It's no longer me that's living, It's like I'm someone else, He rescued me Loosed me from hell, I'm giving up, what I was holding So long, Adieu, farewell Goodbye ole me, These brand new clothes Look good on me, I'm wearing favor
Like Kings & Queens, My righteousness Is more than what you see I'm righteousness Cause Jesus lives in me"

 

Sorry what were talking about  He already died for the sin of the world. The part about "Jesus would have died for nothing". Oh how did He find you? Yeah lost a sinner wicked unrighteous. Do you see?  We do tend to focus on what we see not who we are. This song says it so well.

 

As for willingly sinning. We all have willingly sinned so many times. Those that willingly sin reject what Yeshua did on the cross. There is no "ooh man why did I do that.. Father forgive me". They don't care. 

So to simply answer your questing no we don't need to sin. We have been set free it no longer has a hold on us. Today its no longer I that sin but sin that is in me. My flesh is not me it has not been born from above...not changed YET. So what we do is focus on Him Christ "I need thee every hour I need thee". Focus on Him what He did what you are in the Fathers eyes. If we focus on sin then sin is all we see. Its not what I say or any other believer.. its what He said and did. He is God not me

[Vine Abider]

4 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Did you confess them?

Smear a little H.S. anointing on that toast!

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just

to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

It is the sin that we keep secret that will destroy our testimony,

and render the power of the Gospel ineffectual. Confession is for

our carnal humiliation. Or, as DC Talk sang:

"Confession is the road to healing, forgiveness the promised land."

Psalm 90:8 Thou hast set our iniquities before thee,

our secret sins in the light of thy countenance.

Hebrews 3:

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 

13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 

14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 

15 while it is said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

And so we pray:

Psalm 19:

12 Who can understand his errors?
Cleanse me from secret faults.
13 Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins;
Let them not have dominion over me.
Then I shall be blameless,
And I shall be innocent of great transgression.

14 Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
Be acceptable in Your sight,
O Lord, my strength and my Redeemer.

Yes, I always confess and agree with Him (that I did whatever).

"And they overcame him (accuser) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony!"

[The_Patriot21]

9 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

And just to clarify, did Jesus die for the sins one commits intentionally . . . and is there condemnation for those in Christ Jesus who do?

He died for all sins. It's an important thing to clarify thankyou.

Jesus did die for all sins, but that's not an excuse to keep on sinning. There are several passages in the Bible that basically state our faith is shown through our works. Our works don't save us, but they do show our heart. If the world can't tell were saved by our works, i.e. we act just like everyone else, what does that say about our faith?

[Neighbor]

9 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

If the world can't tell were saved by our works, i.e. we act just like everyone else, what does that say about our faith?

 Hi, I suspect there is a word (Or two) that ended up missing from this sentence. ???

[The_Patriot21]

50 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

 Hi, I suspect there is a word (Or two) that ended up missing from this sentence. ???

No I don't think so...it conveys exactly what I meant it to say. 

[Abdull]

On 6/26/2023 at 11:47 PM, Neighbor said:

Hi, No such thing as a little bit of sin. In for a pint in for a pound, and the price is death.

Presents a bit of a problem, eh?

It cannot be reconciled, - except by Jesus. 

If the price is death my brother, how come i have not died. Also dont you mean except by god, jesus was only his son on earth who made the sacrafice, god is the one who has the power is he not