What is your View of the 1,000 year Kingdom?

[Solus Christus]

I view it as literal thousand years where only beheaded for Christ will reign, then after it Satan is loosed for the final battle and is caste into lake of fire, and the Last Judgement, and New Jeaven & Earth come. So in short what the Scriptures say. 

[Neighbor]

On 7/30/2023 at 1:02 PM, Solus Christus said:

I view it as literal thousand years

But can we agree on how long a thousand years is?

Just what is time to God who created time itself? If God always was, and created time itself, then he has existed before time,  exists now during time, and will after time itself ends, making for a thousand years to be like a day and a day  like a thousand years, I suppose. Might all be relative to one's point of reference as to where, when, and how to count time.

( Just having some lighthearted fun here.)

[Marathoner]

Good point. It seemed like it was only yesterday when I was 19 years old in the Army recruitment office. 

Yesterday seems like it was last week.

Last week seems like it was 5 years ago.

I also proved that a watched pot will indeed boil... yeah, I put a pot of water on the stove. I stood there and watched it boil, and it seemed like that took half an hour to happen. 

Our perception of time is interesting.

[Solus Christus]

2 hours ago, Neighbor said:

But can we agree on how long a thousand years is?

Just what is time to God who created time itself? If God always was, and created time itself, then he has existed before time,  exists now during time, and will after time itself ends, making for a thousand years to be like a day and a day  like a thousand years, I suppose. Might all be relative to one's point of reference as to where, when, and how to count time.

( Just having some lighthearted fun here.)

Well we know its literally a span of time, not  all years like in “God of a thousand hills,” because Satan is released after a thousand years (Revelation 20:6-10).  

[Neighbor]

1 hour ago, Solus Christus said:

Well we know its literally a span of time, not  all years like in “God of a thousand hills,” because Satan is released after a thousand years (Revelation 20:6-10).  

Ha, I'm having fun with time, thinking upon Dr.Gerald Schroeder's studies and conclusions on literal time. 

[Solus Christus]

2 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Ha, I'm having fun with time, thinking upon Dr.Gerald Schroeder's studies and conclusions on literal time. 

Too bad only the beheaded for Christ get to reign with our Lord during the thousand years.  

Feels left out, but not willing to get in line to be in that group..  

[TheBlade]

On 7/15/2023 at 1:16 PM, Vine Abider said:

I was brought up to look at tings in a dispensational way.  Therefore I see the kingdom as a literal, thousand year reign on earth that will be implemented shortly after Christ's return.  Overcoming believers are promised a part in the ruling and reigning over the nations with Him, during this time.

This always seemed to me to be a time of great peace and rest, where all things are made right.  Sinful and selfish things will be no more and basically, all would be calm.  Humans would fulfil God's stated purpose in Genesis 1:26 of being in His image and exercising dominion over all the earth and everything on it.  Hallelujah! 

However, while I believe what I said above is basically true, recently in another thread  @AdHoc presented a few verses that got me to realizing there may be more to the kingdom than what I'd thought.  He brought out that overcomers are to "rule the nations with a rod of iron" (Rev 2:27).  Why does it say this?  The answer goes something like this - the nations and people remaining will not be automatically won over to God's way of doing things.  Therefore, there will be the need for swift, loving and righteous judgment on sinful and rebellious acts and some of the retributions may need to be severe.  That is, the age of grace will be over then, and such things will not be tolerated, not even a little.

Could this mean corporal and capital punishment for heinous acts in the kingdom?  Again I'd not really thought about this aspect so much . . . what do you think?

Hey my brother.. yeah same thing here. But over time I make sure I can find it not just believing something someone told me. There are far wiser people out there then I and its wise to listen. But then you find 2 or 4 or more that are all wise yet.. disagree so you really just have to find it for yourself.

This is where I stop.. this went to places I'd rather not get in to. Calling some doctrine "Satanic doctrine" is very unwise for what does that say about the person? . Now I would say "I disagree and here's why".  Praise God. Thanks though. 

[Vine Abider]

On 7/30/2023 at 12:28 AM, Justin Adams said:

Possibly an OK position. But if you look into the "plan B" ideas of Dispensational theory it becomes distasteful and arrogant to the point of blasphemy. The death of Yeshua was "plan B"??  Gimme a break. Please. 

It reduces our Great Lord God into the role of a blundering and backwards fool. It is a travesty of underlying detrimental suggestions against our Almighty Lord. Like He was somehow trapped in a hamster's wheel and was a second thought of the Father. Seems Darby never read about the Lord Jesus slain from before the foundation of the world. No doubt many Dispensationalist likewise do not read scriptures.

It pits peoples efforts against an imaginary foe with Scofield's horrible parady supporting a bag of lies. They had to even inaugurate Colleges and Universities in order to promulgrate the lies and breed into many assemblies people already part-cooked into that web of deceitful pottage. And that from the pulpit - the 'trusted' source for many people.

You've stated a whole bunch of things (several allegations) here, but it's not clear at all to me what underlying facts you are going off of.

[Vine Abider]

2 hours ago, TheBlade said:

Hey my brother.. yeah same thing here. But over time I make sure I can find it not just believing something someone told me. There are far wiser people out there then I and its wise to listen. But then you find 2 or 4 or more that are all wise yet.. disagree so you really just have to find it for yourself.

This is where I stop.. this went to places I'd rather not get in to. Calling some doctrine "Satanic doctrine" is very unwise for what does that say about the person? . Now I would say "I disagree and here's why".  Praise God. Thanks though. 

Are you saying I stated, "Satanic doctrine"? I think I read where someone said that on this thread, but it wasn't me.

[Marathoner]

There's no need for contention of any kind, especially when it comes to non-essential matters like this one. There's variety in our views of eschatology. Nothing amiss with that!

Besides, as I pointed out earlier, belief in a literal 1,000 year reign on earth is not new; some held this view in the early Church a very long time ago. It would be good to constrain our discussion so this topic will remain in the General discussion forum, a place where I don't mind participating in general discussion about eschatology. 

Personally, I avoid the Eschatology forum as a rule because topics like this one often become heated. What did the apostle exhort us to do? 

Do not be mastered by anything (1 Corinthians 6). Not everything is beneficial.