The end time has different physics?

[dad2]

10 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Not according to Jesus.

According to Jesus ,those who are in Judea flee ,and they see the son of man come in the cloud.He doesn't say they will be fleeing for years and then they see him come in the clouds.

 

 

²¹ Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

²² For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

²³ But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

²⁴ And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

 

²⁵ And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

²⁶ Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

²⁷ And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

²⁸ And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

 

 

Now what this has to do with physics is Jesus will be coming in the clouds when they flee.

Same as Zechariah 14 that says he will stand on the Mt of olives on that day.Those in Judea will be fleeing while Jesus is defying the laws of physics again.

When Jesus returns it would do no one any good to try to flee. You seem incapable of admitting your prophesy accumen is poor and confused.

 

Jesus returning to land on earth does not clue us in to what the laws of nature will be. Try again

[Shilohsfoal]

4 hours ago, dad2 said:

When Jesus returns it would do no one any good to try to flee. You seem incapable of admitting your prophesy accumen is poor and confused.

 

Jesus returning to land on earth does not clue us in to what the laws of nature will be. Try again

The word of God says the occupants of Judea flee when the Lord returns.You saying it doesn't do any good doesn't change the fact that they flee just as Jesus said in the gospel and zechariah says.

 

 

This is a FACT

Zech 14

⁵ And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

Mathew 24

¹⁶ Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

 

Revelation 6 shows they have fled to the mountains to hide in caves. Since you deny the occupants flee on the day of the Lord,I suppose you also deny they hide in the caves of the mountains as well.

 

Revelation 6

¹⁵ And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

 

 

Anyone who knows what the abomination of desolation is knows what the dens in the mountains are built for.They have been made for this specific purpose and there are thousands of them in Israel and Judea.In fact,it it required by Israeli law that a den be built under every large peak.

 

 

Edited August 2, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Montana Marv]

11 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

²⁴ And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

70 AD to when the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled.

11 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

²⁵ And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

²⁶ Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

²⁷ And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

And these verses are working their way up to the fulfillment of the times of the gentiles.  This is a span of 2000 years, with these verses being at the last.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

11 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You think the king of the north will destroy and annihilate many the time of the end by doing what the Romans did 2000 years ago?

Daniel 11:44

But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.

 

when you have 5000 nuclear warheads and your going up against ten of millions of Muslims throughout the middle east,why bother putting troops on the ground?

You argument for the war of Armageddon is not logical.

You are mixing up periods of time.  Matt 24 has a better understanding of when the A/D is set up, when you see this happen, FLEE to the mountains, then there will be a time of great distress.  Mid 70th Week and beyond.

Your tens of millions of Muslims throughout the middle east were destroyed with Gog and Magog in the Ezk 38, 39.  In which those of Israel took 7 months to bury the dead, and were employed to do so.  Then it took those of Israel 7 years to burn the weapons of war.  (Not Nukes as you suggest)  Most likely gun stocks from men, clubs and sticks held by young Muslim boys.

Then your time frame of Armageddon is askew. It may last up to 30 days.  With the vast number who die at Armageddon including horses, it will take 30 days for the last for those who are last to cross the Euphrates River to get to the Valley of Megiddo which is about 700 miles in distance (200,000,000) Then there is the army from the South (Africa), North, and West (Antichrists army).  These vast armies making their way to the 180 sq miles of the Valley of Megiddo.

How is one going to set a Nuke off from a silo which has collapsed, how will they transport Nukes on trucks with no fuel, how will they track a Nuke without GPS.  How can planes fly without GPS or fuel.  The worldwide earthquakes of the 7th Bowl will dismantle any structure of earth.  And all this before Armageddon.  Armageddon will be like a winepress not a Nuke.  The grapes (armies) are fed in from the outside of the press, the (blood of men and horses) juice is collected from the inside of the press.

Then there will be a 45 day period for the Birds of prey to eat the flesh of those who have died at Armageddon.  Which differs from the war of Ezk 38 and 39; wild animals and birds of prey eat the flesh of those who died.  Then the bones and bodies will be collected and buried for a period of 7 months.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[Shilohsfoal]

39 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

70 AD to when the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled.

And these verses are working their way up to the fulfillment of the times of the gentiles.  This is a span of 2000 years, with these verses being at the last.

In Christ

Montana Marv

So you believe for the last 2000 years the Jews have fallen by the edge of the sword and led away captive into all nations

 

²⁴ And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

 

Zech 14 seems to say the Jews in Israel will be led away captive on the day of the Lord when the Lord stands on they of olives.

 

² For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

 

Jesus also said in the gospel the Jews will be cast out on that same day.

 

Mathew 8:12

But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

[Shilohsfoal]

18 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

You are mixing up periods of time.  Matt 24 has a better understanding of when the A/D is set up, when you see this happen, FLEE to the mountains, then there will be a time of great distress.  Mid 70th Week and beyond.

Your tens of millions of Muslims throughout the middle east were destroyed with Gog and Magog in the Ezk 38, 39.  In which those of Israel took 7 months to bury the dead, and were employed to do so.  Then it took those of Israel 7 years to burn the weapons of war.  (Not Nukes as you suggest)  Most likely gun stocks from men, clubs and sticks held by young Muslim boys.

Then your time frame of Armageddon is askew. It may last up to 30 days.  With the vast number who die at Armageddon including horses, it will take 30 days for the last for those who are last to cross the Euphrates River to get to the Valley of Megiddo which is about 700 miles in distance (200,000,000) Then there is the army from the South (Africa), North, and West (Antichrists army).  These vast armies making their way to the 180 sq miles of the Valley of Megiddo.

How is one going to set a Nuke off from a silo which has collapsed, how will they transport Nukes on trucks with no fuel, how will they track a Nuke without GPS.  How can planes fly without GPS or fuel.  The worldwide earthquakes of the 7th Bowl will dismantle any structure of earth.  And all this before Armageddon.  Armageddon will be like a winepress not a Nuke.  The grapes (armies) are fed in from the outside of the press, the (blood of men and horses) juice is collected from the inside of the press.

Then there will be a 45 day period for the Birds of prey to eat the flesh of those who have died at Armageddon.  Which differs from the war of Ezk 38 and 39; wild animals and birds of prey eat the flesh of those who died.  Then the bones and bodies will be collected and buried for a period of 7 months.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

You are totally confused.

Read revelation,Gog does not invade the land of the Lord till 1000 years after the beast has been destroyed.There are no Muslims in the kingdom of Christ when Gog invades.There are only saints there.

[Montana Marv]

7 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Mathew 8:12

But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Those who did not feast with Abraham, Issac and Jacob in the Kingdom in Heaven.  These are those who are cast in the Lake of Fire.  The subjects of the kingdom went into the LOF. Those who received their inheritance did not.  The subjects were like those under the Centurion, his faith was great.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

5 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You are totally confused.

Read revelation,Gog does not invade the land of the Lord till 1000 years after the beast has been destroyed.There are no Muslims in the kingdom of Christ when Gog invades.There are only saints there.

Again Ezk 38 and 39; Gog and Magog and all those hordes with them.  These are not those of Armageddon or those at the end of the 1000 years.

The Gog which is destroyed at the end of the 1000 years; Their flesh is not eaten by wild animals or birds of prey, their bodies are not buried as in Ezk 38,39.  They are consumed, then GWT judgment.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Those who did not feast with Abraham, Issac and Jacob in the Kingdom in Heaven.  These are those who are cast in the Lake of Fire.  The subjects of the kingdom went into the LOF. Those who received their inheritance did not.  The subjects were like those under the Centurion, his faith was great.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Abraham Issac and Jacob are buried.

They do not recieve the kingdom promised to Abraham till after the beast and its citizens are removed from that kingdom.

Luke 13:28

There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.

Edited August 2, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

Again Ezk 38 and 39; Gog and Magog and all those hordes with them.  These are not those of Armageddon or those at the end of the 1000 years.

The Gog which is destroyed at the end of the 1000 years; Their flesh is not eaten by wild animals or birds of prey, their bodies are not buried as in Ezk 38,39.  They are consumed, then GWT judgment.

In Christ

Montana Marv

You sure added a lot to revelation there.Last I checked ,revelation does not say all the things that you just claimed it says.

What it does say is Gog and the nations with him come against the saints in Jerusalem .Ezekiel  also wrote that God will rain fire and brimstone down on Gog and destroy him.

 

Revelation 20

⁸ And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

⁹ And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

Apparently ,you don't believe God can kill Gog the first time and has to give it another try.Scriptire only shows this happening once and that is after Israel is resurected from their graves.Perhsps you have been misled by the beast presently in the middle east that calls itself by the name of Israel and you believe God will deliver that beast.