The end time has different physics?

[dad2]

7 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The word of God says the occupants of Judea flee when the Lord returns.You saying it doesn't do any good doesn't change the fact that they flee just as Jesus said in the gospel and zechariah says.

He does not return in the midst of the week when the abomination that maketh desolate is set up. Strawman.

 

7 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Anyone who knows what the abomination of desolation is knows what the dens in the mountains are built for.

I see, so you want to interpret the place prepared by God as some specific place you think the dens in mountains are. Then you want all that to be at the tail end of the seven years. Then you want the ones Jesus told to flee in the middle of the seven years to be some exclusively wicked club. Got it.

Rather than address the topic and add anything to the thread, you have insisted on spamming poorly thought out cult pet doctrines here.

 

Not very honest

[Montana Marv]

51 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Apparently ,you don't believe God can kill Gog the first time and has to give it another try.Scriptire only shows this happening once and that is after Israel is resurected from their graves.Perhsps you have been misled by the beast presently in the middle east that calls itself by the name of Israel and you believe God will deliver that beast.

"Perhaps" is an empty box.

Ezk 38,39 - Israel buries those of Gog and the land of Magog and the Muslim hordes with them.  They have something to bury.  The Gog at the end of the 1000 years and all who follow are totally destroyed, thus no bodies to bury, and definitely not for 7 months as in  Ezk 38,39.

Armageddon, there is no mention of any bodies being buried.  No one is totally destroyed, for the birds of prey eat the flesh of men and horses.

Gog at the end of the 1000 years.  Totally destroyed, no birds of prey eating their flesh, no bodies being buried.

And you deny that it can take a least 7 years to regrow a new army, as in Gog. At the onset of the 70th Week (Ezk 38,39 happens) and then at the end of the 70th Week is when Armageddon happens, some of Gog (Northern army) are included.  And then 1000 years later those of Gog and many nations with them are to be deceived by Satan.

God will deliver Israel.  1/3 will be purified, 2/3 will be killed.  70 - Sevens are decreed for Daniels people (Israel) to complete six tasks.  Zech 13:1 - On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity. Zech 9:16 - The Lord their God will save them on that day as the flock of his people.  God has to keep his promise to Abraham (Abrahamic Covenant)

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, dad2 said:

He does not return in the midst of the week when the abomination that maketh desolate is set up. Strawman.

 

I see, so you want to interpret the place prepared by God as some specific place you think the dens in mountains are. Then you want all that to be at the tail end of the seven years. Then you want the ones Jesus told to flee in the middle of the seven years to be some exclusively wicked club. Got it.

Rather than address the topic and add anything to the thread, you have insisted on spamming poorly thought out cult pet doctrines here.

 

Not very honest

Jesus didn't say anything about seven years.Dont try to say that your words are the words of Christ because they are not.

Also the abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem the SE day th in Judea flee.The word of God says they shall flee when the Lord comes and stands on thet of olives.

 

⁵ And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

See how I can't simply quote when the Lord says them in Judea flee.Its easy to quote the timing.

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

"Perhaps" is an empty box.

Ezk 38,39 - Israel buries those of Gog and the land of Magog and the Muslim hordes with them.  They have something to bury.  The Gog at the end of the 1000 years and all who follow are totally destroyed, thus no bodies to bury, and definitely not for 7 months as in  Ezk 38,39.

Armageddon, there is no mention of any bodies being buried.  No one is totally destroyed, for the birds of prey eat the flesh of men and horses.

Gog at the end of the 1000 years.  Totally destroyed, no birds of prey eating their flesh, no bodies being buried.

And you deny that it can take a least 7 years to regrow a new army, as in Gog. At the onset of the 70th Week (Ezk 38,39 happens) and then at the end of the 70th Week is when Armageddon happens, some of Gog (Northern army) are included.  And then 1000 years later those of Gog and many nations with them are to be deceived by Satan.

God will deliver Israel.  1/3 will be purified, 2/3 will be killed.  70 - Sevens are decreed for Daniels people (Israel) to complete six tasks.  Zech 13:1 - On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity. Zech 9:16 - The Lord their God will save them on that day as the flock of his people.  God has to keep his promise to Abraham (Abrahamic Covenant)

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Israel is brought up out of their graves 1000 years before Gog even thinks of coming against the resurected saints of Israel.Christ has not come and resurected israel out of their graves and returned them to their land yet.They are still buried all over the place.

Ezekiel 37 comes before Ezekiel 38

 

Ezekiel 37

⁶ And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

⁷ So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

⁸ And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

⁹ Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

¹⁰ So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

 

¹¹ Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

¹² Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

¹³ And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

¹⁴ And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

 

As for the beast which dare call itself by the name Israel.It will soon be cast into a lake of fire and it's whole body with it.

[dad2]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Jesus didn't say anything about seven years.Dont try to say that your words are the words of Christ because they are not.

He talked about the abomination that Daniel spoke about and we know how long that will be there once it is set up, In Revelation as well.

Since we have zero common ground on prophesy, stick to the topic.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

3 minutes ago, dad2 said:

He talked about the abomination that Daniel spoke about and we know how long that will be there once it is set up, In Revelation as well.

Since we have zero common ground on prophesy, stick to the topic.

 

Well,I don't see anywhere in scripture that physics change.

Just a big war with some big weapons being used in the middle east.Seems the United States just can't stay out of there.

Daniel 11

⁴⁰ And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

⁴¹ He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

⁴² He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

⁴³ But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

⁴⁴ But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

[dad2]

4 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Well,I don't see anywhere in scripture that physics change.

We do see that life in the past and the future is drastically and fundamentally different

In the millennium we see lives of men at 1000 years or so. The plants then will grow fast. Of course eternal beings like the saved and angels are not bound to any laws on earth. However the people living will be under them

[Shilohsfoal]

7 minutes ago, dad2 said:

We do see that life in the past and the future is drastically and fundamentally different

In the millennium we see lives of men at 1000 years or so. The plants then will grow fast. Of course eternal beings like the saved and angels are not bound to any laws on earth. However the people living will be under them

I had stated earlier that the only thing I see changing would be people.Not all people but some.Some receive enternal.life. They are changed from something that is corruptible to something that in incorruptible.I havnt read where plants grow any faster than they do now.Perhaps after the end of the 1000.years when the river of life comes out of new Jerusalem and run down to the dead sea and heals the water.I can't remember reading where plants grow faster though.

[dad2]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I had stated earlier that the only thing I see changing would be people.Not all people but some.Some receive enternal.life. They are changed from something that is corruptible to something that in incorruptible.I havnt read where plants grow any faster than they do now.Perhaps after the end of the 1000.years when the river of life comes out of new Jerusalem and run down to the dead sea and heals the water.I can't remember reading where plants grow faster though.

In Psalms we see this

Ps 72:16 There shall be abundance of grain in the earth upon the top of the mountains; The fruit thereof shall shake like Lebanon: And they of the city shall flourish like grass of the earth.
So even stuff growing at high altitudes will grow like crazy. There will also be no more hunger, lots of food for all.

And I will cause showers to come down in their season; they will be showers of blessing. Also the tree of the field will yield its fruit and the earth will yield its increase . . . Ezekiel 34:26b-27a

And in that day
The mountains will drip with sweet wine,
And the hills will flow with milk,
And all the brooks of Judah will flow with water;
And a spring will go out from the house of the LORD
To water the valley of Shittim.
Joel 3:18

 

The animals will all be friendly.

And the wolf will dwell with the lamb,
And the leopard will lie down with the young goat,
And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together;

And a little boy will lead them.
Also the cow and the bear will graze,
Their young will lie down together,
And the lion will eat straw like the ox.
Isaiah 11:6-7 (NASB)

The digestive systems in animals changes quickly. Such adapting is not possible in the present nature.

Long lifespans, many centuries. Also no blindness or deafness or miscarriages etc.

In that day the deaf shall hear the words of a book,
and out of their gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind shall see.
Isaiah 29:18 (NASB)

They will not labor in vain,
Or bear children for calamity;
For they are the offspring of those blessed by the LORD
Isaiah 65:23

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

6 hours ago, dad2 said:

In Psalms we see this

Ps 72:16 There shall be abundance of grain in the earth upon the top of the mountains; The fruit thereof shall shake like Lebanon: And they of the city shall flourish like grass of the earth.
So even stuff growing at high altitudes will grow like crazy. There will also be no more hunger, lots of food for all.

And I will cause showers to come down in their season; they will be showers of blessing. Also the tree of the field will yield its fruit and the earth will yield its increase . . . Ezekiel 34:26b-27a

And in that day
The mountains will drip with sweet wine,
And the hills will flow with milk,
And all the brooks of Judah will flow with water;
And a spring will go out from the house of the LORD
To water the valley of Shittim.
Joel 3:18

 

The animals will all be friendly.

And the wolf will dwell with the lamb,
And the leopard will lie down with the young goat,
And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together;

And a little boy will lead them.
Also the cow and the bear will graze,
Their young will lie down together,
And the lion will eat straw like the ox.
Isaiah 11:6-7 (NASB)

The digestive systems in animals changes quickly. Such adapting is not possible in the present nature.

Long lifespans, many centuries. Also no blindness or deafness or miscarriages etc.

In that day the deaf shall hear the words of a book,
and out of their gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind shall see.
Isaiah 29:18 (NASB)

They will not labor in vain,
Or bear children for calamity;
For they are the offspring of those blessed by the LORD
Isaiah 65:23

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure that is during the millinium.It could be but the water flowing out of the house of the Lord sounds a lot like the river of life that flows out of new Jerusalem after the millinium.

During the millinium I could see those in the kingdom of heaven being blessed ,but I don't see them that are not in the kingdom of heaven being blessed.I wouldn't think there would be any change at all outside the borders of the promised land.I understand no one will be able to live in Egypt for 40 years but other than that I don't see where anything changes.

Edited August 3, 2023 by Shilohsfoal