Is this Correct Teaching???

[Your closest friendnt]

4 hours ago, JohnD said:

 

I get the distinct impression the OP is here only to enlighten us as to what they believe. For the rest of us (who are open to the truth):

Ephesians 2:8–10 (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

John 10:27–29 (KJV)
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

1 John 2:19 (KJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Jeremiah 32:40 (KJV)
40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

1 Corinthians 5:5 (KJV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

You never made your point.

Jesus made his point loud and clear...Jesus made his point loud and clear he is taking about those who believed in him and who  continued to believe in him. 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Mike Mclees said:

You must have read it because I already posted it. It is the unfaithful servant. read Matt 24  the last 3 verses. You  don't like it because it does not fly with your theology. However Jesus is the truth and cannot lie.  

But you are not Jesus...it seems you are looking for others who agree with you..

That's all from me...

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, Mike Mclees said:

You must have read it because I already posted it. It is the unfaithful servant. read Matt 24  the last 3 verses. You  don't like it because it does not fly with your theology. However Jesus is the truth and cannot lie.  

Those Matthew 24 verses do not say that one looses eternal life. I read that as severe discipline, because what is born of God cannot be unborn. We are in Christ & He is in us - we are one Spirit and are joined with Him/one with Him. (1 Cor 6:17)

Does Christ die again? If not, neither can we! (but as His children we will be disciplined and sometimes with severity if needed)

[Your closest friendnt]

31 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Those Matthew 24 verses do not say that one looses eternal life. I read that as severe discipline, because what is born of God cannot be unborn. We are in Christ & He is in us - we are one Spirit and are joined with Him/one with Him. (1 Corp 6:17)

Does Christ die again? If not, neither can we! (but as His children we will be disciplined and sometimes with severity if needed)

This parable Jesus said before the Cross and before the Gospel was preached...but still we can give it a place in the Gospel because we still have people who abuse their position of trust.

Jesus after exposing and demoting someone and put him together with the hypocrites can not tell him that "I forbidden you to believe in me and call upon my name for repentance and forgiveness...and for help to rehabilitation. 

Jesus definitely will never do that...in the Old Covenant where not all sins were forgiven...yes that time they did not accept the repentance and offer forgiveness to the violator of the Sabath...what was left for them it was the punishment described in their Law...

 

[Mike Mclees]

4 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This parable Jesus said before the Cross and before the Gospel was preached...but still we can give it a place in the Gospel because we still have people who abuse their position of trust.

Jesus after exposing and demoting someone and put him together with the hypocrites can not tell him that "I forbidden you to believe in me and call upon my name for repentance and forgiveness...and for help to rehabilitation. 

Jesus definitely will never do that...in the Old Covenant where not all sins were forgiven...yes that time they did not accept the repentance and offer forgiveness to the violator of the Sabath...what was left for them it was the punishment described in their Law...

 

Im not talking to the repentant but the unrepentant. One has to come out of the dark to find grace. You say one can retain his salvation without repentance. We may as well go back to wild west. Twist it any way you want.

[Vine Abider]

5 minutes ago, Mike Mclees said:

Im not talking to the repentant but the unrepentant. One has to come out of the dark to find grace. You say one can retain his salvation without repentance. We may as well go back to wild west. Twist it any way you want.

Do you see in scripture that you are in Christ and is He in you?

[Mike Mclees]

4 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Do you see in scripture that you are in Christ and is He in you?

Did Peter deny Jesus three times and repent in teers?  Was Jesus in him and he in Jesus. 

[Your closest friendnt]

2 minutes ago, Mike Mclees said:

Im not talking to the repentant but the unrepentant. One has to come out of the dark to find grace. You say one can retain his salvation without repentance. We may as well go back to wild west. Twist it any way you want.

What the scripture says about those things is important.

To call a believer to repentance about something...Definitely you are not telling him that he is not saved anymore and he needs to repent to be saved again...when we sin we are not lost unsaved till the time when we repent then we are saved again...

This is the way of the old Sinai Covenant. 

As believers we are asked to repent....and we are his before we repent.  

[Mike Mclees]

15 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

What the scripture says about those things is important.

To call a believer to repentance about something...Definitely you are not telling him that he is not saved anymore and he needs to repent to be saved again...when we sin we are not lost unsaved till the time when we repent then we are saved again...

This is the way of the old Sinai Covenant. 

As believers we are asked to repent....and we are his before we repent.  

Let me ask you something. The great falling away in 2nd Thes: 3-4 comes to me. This takes place before the man of sin is revealed. Tell me if these people who deny there faith, are they still saved? It says in Revelation that we need to be overcomers. It says "and they overcame him (satan)by the blood of the lamb, and the word of their testimony, and they loved not their life to the death" Are those who fall away still saved?

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

16 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Just because they don't enter the kingdom

 

That's funny.  Thanks for the chuckle!

Yeah, so if one does not enter in to God's Kingdom that means they go to hell.