Rapture: to be or not to be?

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, The Light said:

And yet I showed you a harvest in Revelation 14 that shows the righteous are gathered first. So there is obviously more than one harvest.

Giving your spin on it doesn't show me anything.  First you have to show how what is written as singular is actually plural and what is written as plural is actually singular.  

THEN you will have showed me what is being claimed to have been done when it hasn't been.  

[Montana Marv]

43 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

All for a doctrine.  But no matter where we go in Gods words THE PRE TRIB always makes null and void the words of God. 

As does, Mid Trib; Pre-Wrath and Post Trib Rapture positions.  Because only God the Father knows when the Bridegroom will come.  The Son Jesus Christ doesn't know, and He is the Scripture; so all we are told, is to be ready and watch.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[DeighAnn]

Just now, Montana Marv said:

As does, Mid Trib; Pre-Wrath and Post Trib Rapture positions.  Because only God the Father knows when the Bridegroom will come.  The Son Jesus Christ doesn't know, and He is the Scripture; so all we are told, is to be ready and watch.

In Christ

Montana Marv

I disagree. 

We know precisely what EVENTS have to take place first,
and we will know for sure 3 1/2 days before heaven opens, 
and we know His arrival is within an hour of that
and we know the destruction of Babylon will be over an hour after that


"Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." Revelation 3:3 KJV


1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.



"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame." Revelation 16:15 KJV




"And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through." Luke 12:39 KJV



"Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves?" Luke 22:52 KJV


 

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

And it is in that knowledge that 'the church' who teaches it is made up from the 'gentiles of the world' goes wrong

they REFUSE to acknowledge they are COME OF the scattered sheep of the House of Israel scattered to the world.  

We don't come from the scattered sheep of the house of Israel.  This is why the Church is made up of Jews and Gentiles.  I am a Gentile, not a Jew...  What makes up the Bride of Christ? The Holy Spirit indwelling individuals.  Both Jew and Gentile.

No Indwelling of the Holy Spirit, no part of the Bride of Christ.  Jew or Gentile

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM WITH MAKING THE JEWS/JUDAH,
AND the House of Israel one in the same???  


as for THEM ALL BEING BROUGHT together IN 1948

THAT THEORY IS MISSING A SINGLE LORD AND KING RULING OVER THEM ALL, 
 

20And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel;


and one king shall be king to them all:

The problem is that those of Israel will lose their Land one more time, when they are to Flee into the desert.  And before they Flee, they must have constructed a new Temple, where sacrifice and offerings are to be held, later to be halted by the A/C and an A/D set in its place.

The finality of it all is the Fulfillment of Dan 9:24.  Daniels people accepting their Messiah.  Then they can live in their Land safely during the Mill.  And then David will be King over them, and Christ, the Lord God Almighty will be King and Ruler of all who live on the earth during the Mill.

We are just in a pause until Israel gets established.  Then they will build a new temple to do sacrifice and offering, later for that promise to be broken.  Dan 9:27. Part of the covenant made with many. 

Israel will bury the dead for 7 months of those who attacked Israel, they will burn the weapons of war for 7 years according to Ezk 38.39.

What does this tell us?  The 70th Week is in motion.  And things will become clear as mud.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[DeighAnn]

1 minute ago, Montana Marv said:

We don't come from the scattered sheep of the house of Israel.

So, all those people from all those tribes for all these years HAVE NOT believed nor heard the words of God yet HE didn't lose any of them?  

Where do I read about their fate?  

[DeighAnn]

4 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

The problem is that those of Israel will lose their Land one more time, when they are to Flee into the desert.  And before they Flee, they must have constructed a new Temple, where sacrifice and offerings are to be held, later to be halted by the A/C and an A/D set in its place.

How do you figure?  Where is that written?  

And if the book of Daniel isn't opened up until the end, where does that knowledge come from?  

I take it you don't believe the Gospels were written to/for Christians and those who would fall under the New Covenant, but just the Jews who will never read them?

 

[DeighAnn]

26 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

What makes up the Bride of Christ?

Where do I find this phrase?   

How can one be BOTH the body of Christ and the Bride?  Maybe 'bride' is just being used as a reference for understanding 'like' relationships? 

Like Idolatry and Adultery.  

Idolatry is not being faithful to God as Adultery not faithful to spouse. 

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

We don't come from the scattered sheep of the house of Israel.  This is why the Church is made up of Jews and Gentiles.  I am a Gentile, not a Jew...  What makes up the Bride of Christ? The Holy Spirit indwelling individuals.  Both Jew and Gentile.

No Indwelling of the Holy Spirit, no part of the Bride of Christ.  Jew or Gentile

The problem is that those of Israel will lose their Land one more time, when they are to Flee into the desert.  And before they Flee, they must have constructed a new Temple, where sacrifice and offerings are to be held, later to be halted by the A/C and an A/D set in its place.

The finality of it all is the Fulfillment of Dan 9:24.  Daniels people accepting their Messiah.  Then they can live in their Land safely during the Mill.  And then David will be King over them, and Christ, the Lord God Almighty will be King and Ruler of all who live on the earth during the Mill.

We are just in a pause until Israel gets established.  Then they will build a new temple to do sacrifice and offering, later for that promise to be broken.  Dan 9:27. Part of the covenant made with many. 

Israel will bury the dead for 7 months of those who attacked Israel, they will burn the weapons of war for 7 years according to Ezk 38.39.

What does this tell us?  The 70th Week is in motion.  And things will become clear as mud.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Actually,the majority of the Jews in Israel take the mark of the beast and persecute the christians there who don't.

The christians in Israel will be imprisoned and killed for remaining faithful till death.

 

The end times are much like they were 2000 years ago.While you believe the Jews flee into the desert,they will actually be beating the sons of God in the synagogues.Afterward the unbelieving Jews suffer the wrath of God for persecuting his children.

Then the kingdom.is taken away from the evil israeli government and those who support it and the kingdom is given to the saints ,forever.

 

 

Mark 13:9

“But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.”

 

 

 

They are being delivered up to be judged.

Edited August 29, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

How can one be BOTH the body of Christ and the Bride?  Maybe 'bride' is just being used as a reference for understanding 'like' relationships? 

Because Christ is both the head of this body, and the Bridegroom of this body.

1 Cor 12:27 - Now you are the body of Christ, and each one is a part of it. v 13 - For we were baptized by one Spirit into one body, whether Jew or Greeks, slave or free, and we were all give the one Spirit to drink. Eph 23 - For the husband is head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the Church, his body.  For this reason a man will leave his father and mother, and be united to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.  This is a profound mystery, I am talking about Christ and the Church.

 In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Mark 13:9

“But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.”

And Saul, who later became Paul was one of these individuals.  He was both a persecutor of the Brothers in Christ; then later became one who stood before rulers.

In Christ

Montana Marv