Rapture: to be or not to be?

[Montana Marv]

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

And if the book of Daniel isn't opened up until the end, where does that knowledge come from?  

I see 12 chapters in the book of Daniel now.

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I take it you don't believe the Gospels were written to/for Christians and those who would fall under the New Covenant, but just the Jews who will never read them?

I take it you do not know what I believe.  The Gospels were written for both Jew and Gentile.  The early church was comprised totally of Jews before the Gentiles believed and were taken in.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[DeighAnn]

21 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

Because Christ is both the head of this body, and the Bridegroom of this body.

1 Cor 12:27 - Now you are the body of Christ, and each one is a part of it. v 13 - For we were baptized by one Spirit into one body, whether Jew or Greeks, slave or free, and we were all give the one Spirit to drink. Eph 23 - For the husband is head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the Church, his body.  For this reason a man will leave his father and mother, and be united to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.  This is a profound mystery, I am talking about Christ and the Church.

 In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Thanks for that but I am still looking for the "BRIDE OF CHRIST" or is that a 'conclusion' of some sort?  

Also if you could address WHAT BECOMES of all the people of the Assyrian captivity who didn't go back to their lands, couldn't go to Jerusalem with it having been conquered and are MULTIPLYING faster than any other nation on the earth? 

Are they all ATHEISTS since they don't know who they are, so clearly cannot be the JEWS nor are they keeping the Law and, and although Christ claims them as His, you claim they are not right?  Are they at their death?  

I would really like to know what you do with 12 tribes of peoples/Israel scattered and sifted throughout the world if you claim they are not Christians.  



 

Edited August 29, 2023 by DeighAnn

[DeighAnn]

6 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

I see 12 chapters in the book of Daniel now.

So you believe that the information has always been opened for our understanding?  

 even though it says

1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


Interesting.  

 

6 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

I take it you do not know what I believe.  The Gospels were written for both Jew and Gentile.  The early church was comprised totally of Jews before the Gentiles believed and were taken in.

But once a Jew or Gentile comes to faith they are a Christian, right?   No longer a Jew or a Gentile, right?  


Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin wasn't he?  Or was he living in Judea and so called 'a Jew'?   All who claim to be Jews aren't of the promises, some just live there, right?  Some call themselves Jews and are of Satan...

Edited August 29, 2023 by DeighAnn

[DeighAnn]

"For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth." Amos 9:9 KJV

who are they TODAY?

[Montana Marv]

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I disagree. 

We know precisely what EVENTS have to take place first,
and we will know for sure 3 1/2 days before heaven opens, 
and we know His arrival is within an hour of that
and we know the destruction of Babylon will be over an hour after that


"Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." Revelation 3:3 KJV


1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

So when the Lord comes as a thief in the night.  You won't know him.  Because you are looking to the sky where all will see him as he descends to the Mt of Olives. It doesn't compute.  Which is the coming; as a thief, or in broad daylight where all will see him.   For Jesus Christ the Word who is all Scripture from before creation; He states that only God the Father knows when the Bridegroom will come.  No one in this present day knows or can compute it time.  Not there. Don't quote Scripture, isn't there.

The only event given is: as in the days of Noah before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage until Noah entered the Ark.  We are in that/this time frame now.  So watch and be ready now, not 7 years from now.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[DeighAnn]

Just now, Montana Marv said:

So when the Lord comes as a thief in the night.  You won't know him.  Because you are looking to the sky where all will see him as he descends to the Mt of Olives. It doesn't compute.  Which is the coming; as a thief, or in broad daylight where all will see him.   For Jesus Christ the Word who is all Scripture from before creation; He states that only God the Father knows when the Bridegroom will come.  No one in this present day knows or can compute it time.  Not there. Don't quote Scripture, isn't there.

The only event given is: as in the days of Noah before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage until Noah entered the Ark.  We are in that/this time frame now.  So watch and be ready now, not 7 years from now.

In Christ

Montana Marv

  THE ONLY EVENT GIVEN???  

 

1And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet;




and great fear fell upon them which saw them.


 

12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

[DeighAnn]

 

11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them,




and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.


 

19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.



(UNLESS OF COURSE, YOU HAVE OVERCOME AND ENDURED TO THE END, faithful, without child/barren (spiritually) without having taken the mark of the beast...THEN AS ONE OF THE ALIVE AND REMAINING UPON THE WHOLE EARTH you will, in the twinkling of an eye be changed...)

[DeighAnn]

23 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

So when the Lord comes as a thief in the night.  You won't know him.  Because you are looking to the sky where all will see him as he descends to the Mt of Olives. It doesn't compute.  Which is the coming; as a thief, or in broad daylight where all will see him.   For Jesus Christ the Word who is all Scripture from before creation; He states that only God the Father knows when the Bridegroom will come.  No one in this present day knows or can compute it time.  Not there. Don't quote Scripture, isn't there.

The only event given is: as in the days of Noah before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage until Noah entered the Ark.  We are in that/this time frame now.  So watch and be ready now, not 7 years from now.

In Christ

Montana Marv

  

STRANGE FLESH they will be...but LYING SIGNS and wonders will accompany them in that time...No one on earth will be guessing....the whole world will know  supernatural beings are upon the earth...



 

16He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

17And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.



Do you know what I believe instead of pre trib rapture?

19Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

20Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

21In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

 

Edited August 29, 2023 by DeighAnn

[Montana Marv]

23 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Thanks for that but I am still looking for the "BRIDE OF CHRIST" or is that a 'conclusion' of some sort?  

Also if you could address WHAT BECOMES of all the people of the Assyrian captivity who didn't go back to their lands, couldn't go to Jerusalem with it having been conquered and are MULTIPLYING faster than any other nation on the earth? 

Are they all ATHEISTS since they don't know who they are, so clearly cannot be the JEWS nor are they keeping the Law and, and although Christ claims them as His, you claim they are not right?  Are they at their death?  

I would really like to know what you do with 12 tribes of peoples/Israel scattered and sifted throughout the world if you claim they are not Christians.  



 

John 3:28,29.  John the Baptist speaking; I am not the Christ but am sent ahead of him.  The bride belongs to the Bridegroom.  The friend who attends the bridegroom, waits and listens for him, and is full of Joy when he hears the bridegrooms voice.

Atheist; where did you come with that term, an atheist is one who does not believe in Christ.  You are a few thousand years off on definitions.  How many unbelieving Hebrews died in the wilderness because of unbelief.  They were not Atheists.

The term Christian was not around till Acts 11:26 - The Disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.  So I have no idea of this complex idea of yours where the 12 tribes of Israel who are/were scattered are considered Christians.  Who's idea is this, not mine.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[DeighAnn]

What about the deadly wound?  The Image set up, the mark to buy and sell, the time given for these things to take place?  The earthquakes, the signs in the sun moon and stars. The locust army...there are tons of things given that tell us the season or the time of the season.  

The parable of the fig tree....What did Jesus say? 

 

29And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;

30When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

31So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

32Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.