Rapture: to be or not to be?

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

Yes, I hear clearly. This is AFTER the 1000 years when Satan is loosed from the pit to deceive the nations. 

Revelation 20

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

You are again out of context.

False

This is not after the millinial reign.

This prophecy takes place at the beginning of the millinial reign when Christ recieves the kingdom at the sound of the seventh trump.

 

⁴¹ The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

⁴² And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

⁴³ Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

Christ is not going to let the antichrist and all them that do iniquity reign in his kingdom during the millinial kingdom.They are consumed before the millinial reign.

 

The kingdom becomes Christs before the millinial reign,not after.

 

¹⁵ The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
    and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Edited August 25, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[The Light]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

False

This is not after the millinial reign.

This prophecy takes place at the beginning of the millinial reign when Christ recieves the kingdom at the sound of the seventh trump.

 

⁴¹ The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

⁴² And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

⁴³ Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

Christ is not going to let the antichrist and all them that do iniquity reign in his kingdom during the millinial kingdom.They are consumed before the millinial reign.

 

The kingdom becomes Christs before the millinial reign,not after.

 

¹⁵ The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
    and he will reign for ever and ever.”

So at the 7th trumpet........"The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

So you are in error. When the lake of fire occurs it is at the end of the 1000 years.

This isn't that difficult.

[The Light]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The ark Noah was in never left the earth.It rained on this world as did Noah.

It's not too he righteous that is taken out of the Lord's kingdom .It is those who do iniquity

 

Who stayed on the surface of the earth. Those that were destroyed or those that were safely lifted up in the ark above the destruction. 

This is also not that difficult.

[The Light]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

False

Those who are not consumed are not taken away from the earth.They are saved and can walk through the fire.

You are confusing two different events.

1. The Lord coming to fight those that are against Jerusalem.

2. The angels sent to cast the unrighteous in the lake of fire at the end of the 1000 years.

[Shilohsfoal]

15 minutes ago, The Light said:

So at the 7th trumpet........"The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

So you are in error. When the lake of fire occurs it is at the end of the 1000 years.

This isn't that difficult.

False the false prophet and the beast are cast into the lake of fire before the millinium,not after.

Lake of fire,before the millinium .

 

 

Revelation 19:20

 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

Eeveryone who takes the mark of the beast are cast into the lake of fire.

 

revelation 14

 

⁹ And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

¹⁰ The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

 

Why do you think the beast will reign In Christ kingdom during the millinial reign,?

You believe everyone who takes the mark of the beast will be in the kingdom of heaven .They are burned up before the millinial reign.They are all burned up before the kingdom becomes Christs.Not after.

Edited August 25, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

8 minutes ago, The Light said:

Who stayed on the surface of the earth. Those that were destroyed or those that were safely lifted up in the ark above the destruction. 

This is also not that difficult.

Noah stayed on the surface of the earth untill he died and was buried.Long after the flood had come and took everyone else away.

[Shilohsfoal]

3 minutes ago, The Light said:

You are confusing two different events.

1. The Lord coming to fight those that are against Jerusalem.

2. The angels sent to cast the unrighteous in the lake of fire at the end of the 1000 years.

The beast from the bottomless Pitt is cast into the lake of fire before the millinium.Not after.

 

Revelation 19:20

 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Edited August 25, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

41 minutes ago, The Light said:

You are confusing two different events.

1. The Lord coming to fight those that are against Jerusalem.

2. The angels sent to cast the unrighteous in the lake of fire at the end of the 1000 years.

The kingdom is consumed before the saints recieve the kingdom .Not after.

 

²⁵ And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

²⁶ But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

²⁷ And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

Only after the kingdom has been consumed is it then given to the saints.This takes place before the millinium.All of the kingdom of heaven will be consumed at Christs coming.Only those who are saved will remain in the kingdom.The saints remain in the kingdom.Those who commit iniquity are consumed out of his kingdom.They are cast into the fire . Then the saints recieve the kingdom.That is when the millinial reign begins.

 

 

 

Edited August 25, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[DeighAnn]

On 8/22/2023 at 3:30 PM, AdHoc said:

Are you sure you've got the right meaning? After all, the context is about Jesus Himself being taken out of the world (v.13). I doubt if the rapture can be seen here. How about we agree that the best verses on rapture are the one's that mention it - like

 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Th 4:15–17)

 

13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

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51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

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And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Do you believe the three verses above are speaking of three different times, 2, or are they all speaking of the same time? 



Please, GIVE the LETTER that is the most correct

A.  Two different times
B.  The same
C. Three different times

 

[DeighAnn]

On 8/23/2023 at 4:08 AM, R. Hartono said:

Wise virgins shall be fetch up, foolish virgins left behind and screamed in horror "Lord Loord, open to us".

....."I know you not".

The only time it is a problem to buy and sell is when the Image has to be worshipped to do so.  

And all the angels are here during that time

or else the conversation couldn't take place, could it?  



THE BRIDEGROOM didn't come until DARKNESS was upon the earth

The wise angels had put on the gospel armor

The foolish believed in OSAS so they didn't study and seek.  

The wise angels picked up their cross to follow Him

The foolish didn't think they had to

The wise angels endured to the end, remained FAITHFUL

The foolish angels went to buy and sell, UNFAITHFUL

The wise angels didn't take the mark of the beast BLESSED ARE THE BARREN

The foolish angels did WOE TO THOSE WHO ARE WITH CHILD AND GIVE SUCK

The wise angels heard well done good and faithful servant

The foolish angels heard I never knew you

no matter how you slice it, all the angels were here for the LAST WEEK

What you are putting forth is in DIRECT CONFLICT with the teachings of Jesus, the FOUNDATION HE LAID from the beginning of His ministry


 

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, (PRE TRIB RAPTURE) wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

 

14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
 

15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, (PRE TRIB RAPTURE)

but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

(ENDURE TO THE END)