The Difficult Sayings Of Jesus

[enoob57]

I just wanted to add to the post above:
When one properly evaluates what The Word of God entails as the creation by Creative Living Word Christ, the written Word infused by The Power of The Holy Spirit one realizes Scripture and creation testifies of Jesus Who is The Way, The Truth, The Life and there is no other way to The Father except by The Word of God ... God has so put is succinctly : 
Romans 10:17 (KJV)
[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Hebrews 11:6 (KJV)
[6] But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

As the produce of The Word of God is faith and without The Word of God it is impossible to please God

Before sin man was made a living soul by the Breath of God ... the same Breath speaks out The Word of God
Acts 2:2 (KJV)
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Imagine the displeasure with God- where much of Christianity regards The Word of God (Scripture) as just a book- for in reality it is means in which salvation comes...
Romans 1:16 (KJV)

[16] For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

[17] For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

 

[Vine Abider]

2 hours ago, enoob57 said:

Imagine the displeasure with God- where much of Christianity regards The Word of God (Scripture) as just a book- for in reality it is means in which salvation comes...

A brother recently told me that much of Christianity has the word of God, but they don't seem to have the Word of God.  That is, they have the written book and they think in it are all the answers, if they can just find them and then follow them.  However, so many don't go to Jesus, the living Word of God to enable them to do as He sees fit.

It's good to have the book; it's better to have the book and the Author.

[enoob57]

9 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

A brother recently told me that much of Christianity has the word of God, but they don't seem to have the Word of God.  That is, they have the written book and they think in it are all the answers, if they can just find them and then follow them.  However, so many don't go to Jesus, the living Word of God to enable them to do as He sees fit.

It's good to have the book; it's better to have the book and the Author.

One cannot be without the other...

[Your closest friendnt]

53 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

One cannot be without the other...

Everything is beneficial..we have testimonials of how people were enlightened by reading the Gospels and the epistles of the New Testament....because the Holy Spirit is at work in those who seek God and his Son Jesus Christ...we should not speak against anything. 

Some believe by reading some literature or even a leaflet. Some hear something on the radio. 

Edited September 9, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Vine Abider]

8 hours ago, enoob57 said:

One cannot be without the other...

"You search the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life, but you will not come to Me that you might have life, and these are they which testify of Me"  So we can be those who are "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof." (John 5:39 & 2 Tim 3:5)

[Starise]

On 9/7/2023 at 12:28 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

I looked up the original in Greek. 

* ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 5:29 Greek NT: Westcott and Hort / [NA27 and UBS4 variants]
εἰ δὲ ὁ ὀφθαλμός σου ὁ δεξιὸς σκανδαλίζει σε, ἔξελε αὐτὸν καὶ βάλε ἀπὸ σοῦ, συμφέρει γάρ σοι ἵνα ἀπόληται ἓν τῶν μελῶν σου καὶ μὴ ὅλον τὸ σῶμά σου βληθῇ εἰς γέενναν·

* ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 5:29 Greek NT: RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
Εἰ δὲ ὁ ὀφθαλμός σου ὁ δεξιὸς σκανδαλίζει σε, ἔξελε αὐτὸν καὶ βάλε ἀπὸ σοῦ· συμφέρει γάρ σοι ἵνα ἀπόληται ἓν τῶν μελῶν σου, καὶ μὴ ὅλον τὸ σῶμά σου βληθῇ εἰς γέενναν.

**** It makes no sense to say that the body is going to hell....it can't be..the audience did not believe that and Jesus did not believe that...this is why Jesus would never say that.  The word "hell" had not yet been introduced in their vocabulary...another reason why. Hell is not a Biblical word in the original. 

And it points to the place where Jesus as the Judge of all people assigned the Souls of those who have refused to believe in him...that is forwards after the ascension. 

While the relatives of the disease apllies make up  to the dead body or make arraignments for the creametion of the one who kneels down before the Throne of the Judge of all people of the world...

Sooner or later the earth is waiting for the body of all the diseased people who ever lived. 

*Young's Literal Translation 

Matthew 5:29,30

Young's Literal Translation

29 `But, if thy right eye doth cause thee to stumble, pluck it out and cast from thee, for it is good to thee that one of thy members may perish, and not thy whole body be cast to gehenna.

30 `And, if thy right hand doth cause thee to stumble, cut it off, and cast from thee, for it is good to thee that one of thy members may perish, and not thy whole body be cast to gehenna. 

 

Yes gehenna is referred to and it's probably the same word used in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. The people had no point of reference, so gehenna was a way to make them see the message.

Other scriptures attest to the eternal nature of this place.

[enoob57]

3 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

"You search the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life, but you will not come to Me that you might have life, and these are they which testify of Me"  So we can be those who are "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof." (John 5:39 & 2 Tim 3:5)

The whole council of God is always needed
Romans 1:16 (KJV)
[16] For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

John 17 clears this up nicely:
John 17:6-17 (KJV)
[6] I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. [7] Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. [8] For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. [9] I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. [10] And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. [11] And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. [12] While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. [13] And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. [14] I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. [15] I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. [16] They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. [17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Whenever something is claimed to be of God by God and it is depreciated for whatever reason error can only come out of that...

[Your closest friendnt]

On 9/9/2023 at 10:13 AM, Starise said:

Yes gehenna is referred to

The word Jesus used as it is in the Original Greek text in Mathew 5:29 is "Gehenna". 

This is the issue we were discussing at first...and it began when Mathew 5:29 it was posted from a translation ( no need to name it) that instead of the original word "Gehenna" it shows that the word Jesus used is "hell" and not "Gehenna".

And a challenge was put forward that the "word hell" is not a true copy of the word Jesus used in Mathew 5:29.

And the original text in Greek was posted from more than one source that proves that Jesus used the word "gehenna" and not the word "hell".

As a matter of research all the ancient text are having Jesus speaking the word "gehenna" in Mathew 5:29 and none of them shows that the word "hell " was used. 

In your response the statement "yes gehenna is referred to..."

Does that statement  validdates that "gehenna" is a true copy of the word Jesus used in Mathew 5:29 or it a statement that includes a doubt, or a statement that this is it, that "gehenna" is the word Jesus used without any doubt?  

Please verify. 

 

On 9/9/2023 at 10:13 AM, Starise said:

and it's probably the same word used in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. The people had no point of reference, so gehenna was a way to make them see the message.

Other scriptures attest to the eternal nature of this place.

 

Edited September 10, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Starise]

On 9/10/2023 at 4:47 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

oes that statement  validdates that "gehenna" is a true copy of the word Jesus used in Mathew 5:29 or it a statement that includes a doubt, or a statement that this is it, that "gehenna" is the word Jesus used without any doubt?  

Please verify. 

Note my snips. The strongs reference for the word is used bidirectionally, as a place those in Jerusalem would be familiar with in order to compare it to the eternal place of torment. I have no doubt Jesus was referring to the place of eternal punishment.

 

[Starise]

Jesus-

Matt. 10 Verses 34 to 39[34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. [35] For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.