The Problem With Evolution Part 2- Animals

[Scott Free]

33 minutes ago, Starise said:

I am speaking of those explanations which omit God.

The creation stories were narratives passed down over the generations for etiological purposes before entering the Bible. They are not revelations of God given to a prophet. All three creation narratives contradict each other. How can we demand a consensus among non-Christians? Only sinful man rejects God as source of life. Maybe, Jesus should be the foundation of their faith.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Scott Free

[BeyondET]

4 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

It is definitely a head scratcher for me how people believe in evolution. I personally put those people in the same camp as the flat earthers, people who are determined to believe how they want, even when presented with evidence to the contrary. When you look at all the flaws in the theory, like irreducible complexity, lack of transitional fossils in the fossil record, and the 2nd and 3rd law of thermodynamics make evolution not just bad science, but absolutely impossible to prove. 

2nd and 3rd laws of thermodynamics and how's that?

How did God create man from dirt? 

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

8 hours ago, Scott Free said:

The creation stories were narratives passed down over the generations for etiological purposes before entering the Bible. They are not revelations of God given to a prophet. All three creation narratives contradict each other. How can we demand a consensus among non-Christians? Only sinful man rejects God as source of life. Maybe, Jesus should be the foundation of their faith.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The creation account is 100% accurate. If it weren't then the bible is not the word of God. However, Moses wrote the creation account that God told him to write. Don;t forget, God spoke to Moses audibly so it would have been extremely easy to get the details right. And yes Moses was definitely a prophet, probably the greatest one ever. 

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

5 hours ago, BeyondET said:

2nd and 3rd laws of thermodynamics and how's that?

How did God create man from dirt? 

Because if it can't get order from disorder, then evolution is impossible. Evolution is based on the theory of slight advances of natural selection, yet randomness ALWAYS makes things worse, never better. You CAN'T get order from disorder, it just doesn't happen and never has. 

[BeyondET]

44 minutes ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

Because if it can't get order from disorder, then evolution is impossible. Evolution is based on the theory of slight advances of natural selection, yet randomness ALWAYS makes things worse, never better. You CAN'T get order from disorder, it just doesn't happen and never has. 

Laws of thermodynamics has nothing to do with disorders.

Nothing happens that God doesn't know about or part of His plan. 

God commanded let the earth bring forth living creatures and the earth followed that order.

Edited September 19, 2023 by BeyondET

[RV_Wizard]

14 hours ago, Scott Free said:

Are you saying the meaning of words are clear and obvious? Should we all agree on your interpretations without creative thinking or critical analysis, least we find ourselves against God?

The Bible could not be more clear when it uses numbered days as well as citing evening and morning to list the solar days of creation, followed by Adam being formed from dust on the 6th day.  The Bible was clear when it records that Eve was formed from Adam's rib, and that from the beginning God sanctioned the covenant of marriage.  The Bible is clear when it teaches that through one man sin and death came into the world and that through one man the sins of man could be forgiven.  The Bible clearly states that animals were created and brought to Adam to name.  They later reproduced after their kind.

The Bible cites a global flood that destroyed all but a few who remained faithful to God and pairs of animals saved in an ark.  These truths are no less real than the death and resurrection of Christ.  By what standard do you judge which to believe and which to deny?  How do you embrace certain truths and reject the others?

[RV_Wizard]

3 hours ago, BeyondET said:

God commanded let the earth bring forth living creatures and the earth followed that order.

Genesis 1.

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Isn't it amazing how easily it is to take the Bible out of context?  All you have to do is to take an excerpt and post it as if it was not part of a larger passage.  In 30 years, I've never had an evolution believer quote a passage of Scripture that supports what they believe.  Simply include a verse or two before or after what they post and you see the truth.  To believe in the Bible and in evolution is to have a solid understanding of neither.

[RV_Wizard]

13 hours ago, Scott Free said:

 All three creation narratives contradict each other. 

There is only one creation narrative.  Genesis 2 goes into some detail of events after and relating to the creation described in Genesis 1.  In Exodus 20:11, God His self re-states that in six days the world was created and that God rested on the seventh.

You can't compromise with evolution.  Truth compromised is no longer truth. 

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

4 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Laws of thermodynamics has nothing to do with disorders.

Nothing happens that God doesn't know about or part of His plan. 

God commanded let the earth bring forth living creatures and the earth followed that order.

Your right, God also said he created every creature according to its kind. There was no evolution because God already created every type of animal we have today during creation week. 

[Scott Free]

11 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

There is only one creation narrative.  Genesis 2 goes into some detail of events after and relating to the creation described in Genesis 1.  In Exodus 20:11, God His self re-states that in six days the world was created and that God rested on the seventh.

Of course God created man under special circumstances. I choose to push the Gospel as the narrative of faith. We should not add to it. I will marginalize the scientific validity of the creation stories just to hinder Creationist fanaticism from inserting itself into the message of salvation. The stories are a child's introduction to God's glory.